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[Nibblewitz]

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-p...612-story.html

State of Left sucks.

It's all about that State of Far Left.

[DinoTriz]

Originally Posted by icedwards [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The law says nothing about your parent or legal guardian having to reside in the United States. It simply refers to an absence of said parent or legal guardian. Again, nothing about actually separating children from parents either, but whatever, good try at obfuscation.

"an individual for whom “there is no parent or legal guardian in the United States” or “no parent or legal guardian in the United States is available to provide care and physical custody.”

Try reading it.

[Kaveh]

You have no rights if you cross the border illegally

People don't get exemption from laws because photos of children crying tug at your heart strings. Hope this helps!

TRUMP 2020. Regime change in Mexico

[Nibblewitz]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why do you say this?

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

because the politicians whom they elect actively work against their interests while insisting they are oppressed.

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the latter is a poorly modulated adaptation of the former. the representatives act as a crude filter, shoddily seiving some of the more malignant luncacies from public policy.

Founding father Washington disagreed and warned of politicians lacking a spine in his farewell address. Our representatives need to vote their conscience, not the cacophony of the loudest voices.

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i dunno why, but i feel like most of your comments are structured to make me argue with myself ^^

Your posts provoke thoughts in me too [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[skarlorn]

nibblew itz is a fucking troll and shadow politician who orchestrated the destruction of the class R rotation by introducing the Gorenaire tarrif. BE WARNED, MELON.

hail washington

[Nibblewitz]

loot council >> democracy

[Irulan]

I made my Imperial (Empire) into a democracy (little d) because all my potential federation allies were shitty about me being an authoritarian slaver and I wanted to up my 'unity' generation so I could push advancement. I had to abolish slavery though. My people are less productive, but they're happier, however they're probably going to wish they remained Imperial when the bad interdimensional aliens pop in. And they are now unruly and all want different things constantly.

TBQH I much preferred the Empire.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by Nibblewitz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-p...612-story.html

State of Left sucks.

It's all about that State of Far Left.

this will backfire spectacularly. inland california is crazy as hell.

[icedwards]

Originally Posted by DinoTriz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"an individual for whom “there is no parent or legal guardian in the United States” or “no parent or legal guardian in the United States is available to provide care and physical custody.”

Try reading it.

Let me walk you through this one step-by-step (hint: it's super duper easy for anyone with an elementary level reading comprehension):

1) Where is the individual's (ie. child's) parent or legal guardian?
2) Where, either in the entirety of Public Law 107-296 or in Section G Subtitle E (which you continue to reference) does it advocate for the separation of children from their parents or legal guardians if both detained in the United States?

[DinoTriz]

Originally Posted by icedwards [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me walk you through this one step-by-step (hint: it's super duper easy for anyone with an elementary level reading comprehension):

1) Where is the individual's (ie. child's) parent or legal guardian?
2) Where, either in the entirety of Public Law 107-296 or in Section G Subtitle E (which you continue to reference) does it advocate for the separation of children from their parents or legal guardians if both detained in the United States?

1) They aren't in the United States. They may have stepped foot on federal land, but they do not reside in the United States.

2) Read:

SEC. 462. CHILDREN’S AFFAIRS.
(a) TRANSFER OF FUNCTIONS.—There are transferred to the
Director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement of the Department
of Health and Human Services functions under the immigration
laws of the United States with respect to the care of unaccompanied
alien children that were vested by statute in, or performed by,
the Commissioner of Immigration and Naturalization (or any officer,
employee, or component of the Immigration and Naturalization
Service) immediately before the effective date specified in subsection
(d).
(b) FUNCTIONS.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Pursuant to the transfer made by subsection
(a), the Director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement
shall be responsible for—
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PUBLIC LAW 107–296—NOV. 25, 2002 116 STAT. 2203
(A) coordinating and implementing the care and placement
of unaccompanied alien children who are in Federal
custody by reason of their immigration status, including
developing a plan to be submitted to Congress on how
to ensure that qualified and independent legal counsel
is timely appointed to represent the interests of each such
child, consistent with the law regarding appointment of
counsel that is in effect on the date of the enactment
of this Act;
(B) ensuring that the interests of the child are considered
in decisions and actions relating to the care and
custody of an unaccompanied alien child;
(C) making placement determinations for all unaccompanied
alien children who are in Federal custody by reason
of their immigration status;
(D) implementing the placement determinations;
(E) implementing policies with respect to the care and
placement of unaccompanied alien children;
(F) identifying a sufficient number of qualified individuals,
entities, and facilities to house unaccompanied alien
children;
(G) overseeing the infrastructure and personnel of
facilities in which unaccompanied alien children reside;
(H) reuniting unaccompanied alien children with a
parent abroad in appropriate cases;
(I) compiling, updating, and publishing at least
annually a state-by-state list of professionals or other entities
qualified to provide guardian and attorney representation
services for unaccompanied alien children;
(J) maintaining statistical information and other data
on unaccompanied alien children for whose care and placement
the Director is responsible, which shall include—
(i) biographical information, such as a child’s
name, gender, date of birth, country of birth, and
country of habitual residence;
(ii) the date on which the child came into Federal
custody by reason of his or her immigration status;
(iii) information relating to the child’s placement,
removal, or release from each facility in which the
child has resided;
(iv) in any case in which the child is placed in
detention or released, an explanation relating to the
detention or release; and
(v) the disposition of any actions in which the
child is the subject;
(K) collecting and compiling statistical information
from the Department of Justice, the Department of Homeland
Security, and the Department of State on each department’s
actions relating to unaccompanied alien children;
and
(L) conducting investigations and inspections of facilities
and other entities in which unaccompanied alien children
reside.
(2) COORDINATION WITH OTHER ENTITIES; NO RELEASE ON
OWN RECOGNIZANCE.—In making determinations described in
paragraph (1)(C), the Director of the Office of Refugee
Resettlement—
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116 STAT. 2204 PUBLIC LAW 107–296—NOV. 25, 2002
(A) shall consult with appropriate juvenile justice
professionals, the Director of the Bureau of Citizenship
and Immigration Services, and the Assistant Secretary of
the Bureau of Border Security to ensure that such determinations
ensure that unaccompanied alien children
described in such subparagraph—
(i) are likely to appear for all hearings or proceedings
in which they are involved;
(ii) are protected from smugglers, traffickers, or
others who might seek to victimize or otherwise engage
them in criminal, harmful, or exploitive activity; and
(iii) are placed in a setting in which they are
not likely to pose a danger to themselves or others;
and
(B) shall not release such children upon their own
recognizance.
(3) DUTIES WITH RESPECT TO FOSTER CARE.—In carrying
out the duties described in paragraph (1)(G), the Director of
the Office of Refugee Resettlement is encouraged to use the
refugee children foster care system established pursuant to
section 412(d) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C.
1522(d)) for the placement of unaccompanied alien children.
(c) RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in this section may be
construed to transfer the responsibility for adjudicating benefit
determinations under the Immigration and Nationality Act (8
U.S.C. 1101 et seq.) from the authority of any official of the Department
of Justice, the Department of Homeland Security, or the
Department of State.
(d) EFFECTIVE DATE.—Notwithstanding section 4, this section
shall take effect on the date on which the transfer of functions
specified under section 441 takes effect.
(e) REFERENCES.—With respect to any function transferred by
this section, any reference in any other Federal law, Executive
order, rule, regulation, or delegation of authority, or any document
of or pertaining to a component of government from which such
function is transferred—
(1) to the head of such component is deemed to refer
to the Director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement; or
(2) to such component is deemed to refer to the Office
of Refugee Resettlement of the Department of Health and
Human Services.
(f) OTHER TRANSITION ISSUES.—
(1) EXERCISE OF AUTHORITIES.—Except as otherwise provided
by law, a Federal official to whom a function is transferred
by this section may, for purposes of performing the
function, exercise all authorities under any other provision
of law that were available with respect to the performance
of that function to the official responsible for the performance
of the function immediately before the effective date specified
in subsection (d).
(2) SAVINGS PROVISIONS.—Subsections (a), (b), and (c) of
section 1512 shall apply to a transfer of functions under this
section in the same manner as such provisions apply to a
transfer of functions under this Act to the Department of Homeland
Security.
(3) TRANSFER AND ALLOCATION OF APPROPRIATIONS AND PER- SONNEL.—The personnel of the Department of Justice employed
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PUBLIC LAW 107–296—NOV. 25, 2002 116 STAT. 2205
in connection with the functions transferred by this section,
and the assets, liabilities, contracts, property, records, and
unexpended balance of appropriations, authorizations, allocations,
and other funds employed, held, used, arising from, available
to, or to be made available to, the Immigration and Naturalization
Service in connection with the functions transferred
by this section, subject to section 202 of the Budget and
Accounting Procedures Act of 1950, shall be transferred to
the Director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement for allocation
to the appropriate component of the Department of Health
and Human Services. Unexpended funds transferred pursuant
to this paragraph shall be used only for the purposes for which
the funds were originally authorized and appropriated.
(g) DEFINITIONS.—As used in this section— (1) the term ‘‘placement’’ means the placement of an
unaccompanied alien child in either a detention facility or an
alternative to such a facility; and
(2) the term ‘‘unaccompanied alien child’’ means a child
who—
(A) has no lawful immigration status in the United
States;
(B) has not attained 18 years of age; and
(C) with respect to whom—
(i) there is no parent or legal guardian in the
United States; or
(ii) no parent or legal guardian in the United
States is available to provide care and physical custody.