40 day raid ban

[jpetrick]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See, I may be some dumb n00b who knows nothing about raiding, but even in a level 10 dungeon when you screw up you have a choice: die where you are or try to survive by running to zone and training people.

How is it any different when you screw up on a raid mob: you have the option to die where you are correct?

You can die and still train people you moron.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by jpetrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're being an idiot now just for the sake of it. It has been explained to you in multiple posts that no one is out there attempting to break the rules willfully. Rules get broken because of mistakes that happen. You attempt to rectify those mistakes when they do happen. Players aren't perfect.

And as I keep saying, no one is powerless here. You don't walk in to ToV and suddenly lose all control of your character. Guild leaders have choices, and they can make choices that lead to breaking the rules, or they can do things differently. No one has posted even a single rule that contradicts that; the best anyone has said is "we have to train so we have to break the no training rule".

And then there's the one thing you and everyone else keeps avoiding: Rogean and Sirken aren't morons. They created the raid rules, and if you truly believe that it's impossible to follow those rules and still raid, you're basically saying Rogean and Sirken are too stupid to write rules people can actually follow. So if you're going to make such a claim, back it up! Don't just say "you're a n00b who can't understand the hard life of an A/A raider", say "we have to break rule X because if we don't we can't compete."

[jpetrick]

Just stop commenting on the state of the raid scene, you are so far out of touch it's alarming.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Tupakk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Die where you are around 10 other people... die where you are and wipe an entire FTE.


You are comparing apples to astronauts.

So play by the rules, or risk losing a mob. Exactly what I've been saying all along.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by jpetrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just stop commenting on the state of the raid scene, you are so far out of touch it's alarming.

So you think Rogean and Sirken are idiots who write impossible to follow rules, and I'm the one who's out of touch for thinking it's actually possible for guilds to play by the rules?

Ok.

[Argh]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you think Rogean and Sirken are idiots who write impossible to follow rules, and I'm the one who's out of touch for thinking it's actually possible for guilds to play by the rules?

Ok.

Has anyone actually made the argument that you need to break the rules to raid except for you?

[Tupakk]

Don’t twist my words to make sense to yourself. You have a very Skewed perception on how raiding happens.

You have drank Mouses koolaid to much. I think you should remove foot from mouth and potatoe from ear and listen to what’s being said.

[jpetrick]

No one has said it's impossible to follow the rules. All we have said is that we try to follow the rules and attempt to remedy the situation when they are unintentionally broken.

This is the last time I'm responding to you. It's obvious you are getting off spouting fucking nonsense and I won't enable you further.

[Tupakk]

Originally Posted by jpetrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one has said it's impossible to follow the rules. All we have said is that we try to follow the rules and attempt to remedy the situation when they are unintentionally broken.

This is the last time I'm responding to you. It's obvious you are getting off spouting fucking nonsense and I won't enable you further.

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[Check12345]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See, I may be some dumb n00b who knows nothing about raiding, but even in a level 10 dungeon when you screw up you have a choice: die where you are or try to survive by running to zone and training people.

How is it any different when you screw up on a raid mob: you have the option to die where you are correct?

Ok no problem, here's the rub, I get it. We are trying to pull one raid target out of a train of, say >40 mobs. The potential melee damage output of that train is insane.

It's not about a simple train to zone out. Its picking off a target from that train, getting it in to camp to kill, and then safely dropping the train before they figure out where the trainers/secondaries went and mass murder the zone in. (Basically speaking)

When it goes off the rails, folks are going to die.

When done correctly, it's a thing of pure beauty and good feels team work.

Just tag along one night, ToV is an open zone.