Patch Notes, Sunday April 17th, 2011

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Loly Taa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lets say you go and look at all of Afterlife's raids against Trakanon, and roughly gauge the times between the kills, you'll get 38 kills in about 170 days, which is a kill every 4.5 days- there's literally no way he could've been a 7 day spawn even with patches at that point.

38 kills from 06/25/2000 to 12/04/2000, that's 38 kills in 162 days, at very minimum that's a kill every 4.263 days, it's literally mathematically impossible for it not to have been a 3 day spawn.

There's even three dead periods of no Trak kills spaced 14, 11, and 12d apart. The average still says they killed him every 4.263 days.

Here was my rough estimation of time inbetween Trak kills as reported by Afterlife's DKP site; (You can check my data here; http://afterlifeguild.org/dkp.cgi?g=...ype&start=7700 )

Trak kills, days between; 5 6 3 5 3 4 4 4 1 2 1 7 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 14 2 11 1 5 4 5 5 8 4 5 4 7 1 2 12 3 1

"38 kills from 06/25/2000 to 12/04/2000"

Epics were in starting September, so this might not be the best range to use.

Also, please respond to the post where I asked you to respond to another post, which you still haven't responded to:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...&postcount=101

Specifically this part:

there's a VS spawn on May 10th, 14th, 18th, 22nd, 25th, and again another on the 25th (this is all in 2000). Would you look at this and seriously believe that VS was on a 3 day timer after reading that?

[Loly Taa]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"38 kills from 06/25/2000 to 12/04/2000"

Epics were in starting September, so this might not be the best range to use.

Also, please respond to the post where I asked you to respond to another post, which you still haven't responded to:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...&postcount=101

Specifically this part:

I've went through Afterlife's DKP record and checked that against known EQ patches during that time, of their 38 kills only 8 of them happened on the same day as patches, that applied to the average still puts them at a Trak every 5.4days, with the dead periods. Still less than 7, and it's not like they were perfect. Here's my sheet I was working on, feel free to check it against your own information sources.


746 2000-06-25 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 425.47 130.8 556.27
745 2000-06-30 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 424.47 130.8 555.27 PATCH, 29th
744 2000-07-06 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 423.47 130.8 554.27
743 2000-07-09 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 422.47 130.8 553.27
742 2000-07-14 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 421.47 130.8 552.27
741 2000-07-17 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 420.47 130.8 551.27
740 2000-07-21 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 419.47 130.8 550.27 PATCH, 19th & 20th
739 2000-07-25 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 418.47 130.8 549.27 PATCH, 26th
738 2000-07-29 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 417.47 130.8 548.27
737 2000-07-30 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 416.47 130.8 547.27
736 2000-08-01 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 415.47 130.8 546.27 PATCH, sameday.
735 2000-08-02 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 414.47 130.8 545.27
734 2000-08-09 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 413.47 130.8 544.27 PATCH, sameday.
733 2000-08-11 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 412.47 130.8 543.27
732 2000-08-14 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 411.47 130.8 542.27
731 2000-08-17 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 410.47 130.8 541.27 TWO PATCHES, sameday.
730 2000-08-20 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 409.47 130.8 540.27
729 2000-08-23 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 408.47 130.8 539.27 PATCH, sameday.
728 2000-08-26 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 407.47 130.8 538.27
727 2000-08-29 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 406.47 130.8 537.27
726 2000-08-31 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 405.47 130.8 536.27 PATCH, 30th
725 2000-09-14 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 404.47 130.8 535.27 PATCH, 13th
724 2000-09-16 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 403.47 130.8 534.27
723 2000-09-27 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 402.47 130.8 533.27 PATCH, 19th
722 2000-09-28 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 401.47 130.8 532.27 PATCH, sameday.
721 2000-10-03 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 400.47 130.8 531.27 PATCH, sameday.
720 2000-10-07 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 399.47 130.8 530.27
719 2000-10-13 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 398.47 130.8 529.27
718 2000-10-18 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 397.47 130.8 528.27
717 2000-10-26 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 396.47 130.8 527.27
716 2000-10-30 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 395.47 130.8 526.27
715 2000-11-04 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 394.47 130.8 525.27
714 2000-11-07 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 393.47 130.8 524.27
713 2000-11-14 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 392.47 130.8 523.27
712 2000-11-15 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 391.47 130.8 522.27 PATCH, sameday.
711 2000-11-17 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 390.47 130.8 521.27 PATCH, 16th
710 2000-11-29 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 389.47 130.8 520.27 PATCH, sameday.
709 2000-12-02 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 388.47 130.8 519.27
708 2000-12-04 1.00 0.00 Trakanon 1 387.47 130.8 518.27

[Lazortag]

So then you're saying Venril Sathir is a 3-day spawn as well?

[Loly Taa]

I didn't run the numbers for VS, we're talking about Trak here, and we're talking about a 38 kill sample over 162 days, it's not like I'm just taking a 7 day average here.

[Humerox]

I did a LOT of searching, and I've posted some support in other threads so I'm not going to re-hash here.

I could find no evidence at all in old forums and sites that Trak was a 7-day spawn...whereas I found numerous posts regarding 3-day spawn.

Let's do this... I challenge people to support the fact that Trak was a 7-day spawn. I couldn't find any evidence that this was so.

[Reemer]

3 days sounds right.

-Reemer

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I did a LOT of searching, and I've posted some support in other threads so I'm not going to re-hash here.

I could find no evidence at all in old forums and sites that Trak was a 7-day spawn...whereas I found numerous posts regarding 3-day spawn.

Let's do this... I challenge people to support the fact that Trak was a 7-day spawn. I couldn't find any evidence that this was so.

Well, I'm not sure the burden of proof works that way. However, the evidence for Trak being a 3-day spawn is marginally more compelling than no evidence at all, so I guess it should be changed. Still I would hope that, in the future, people don't put too much stake in DKP records as evidence for this kind of stuff. I don't find it very reliable (for reasons that still haven't been fully addressed), but as you said, no one's given evidence beyond their own recollections that Trak was a 7-day spawn, so I'd be silly if I said the evidence favored Trak being a 7-day spawn.

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, I'm not sure the burden of proof works that way. However, the evidence for Trak being a 3-day spawn is marginally more compelling than no evidence at all, so I guess it should be changed. Still I would hope that, in the future, people don't put too much stake in DKP records as evidence for this kind of stuff. I don't find it very reliable (for reasons that still haven't been fully addressed), but as you said, no one's given evidence beyond their own recollections that Trak was a 7-day spawn, so I'd be silly if I said the evidence favored Trak being a 7-day spawn.

Seriously? Are you just trolling at this point? All the pieces of evidence, including people who killed him posting here that he was a 3 day sapwn. There is not a single piece of evidence anyone has posted that he's a 7 day spawn, or that he was a 7 day spawn ever and was changed to a 3 day spawn without it being in patch notes.

Why does the burden of proof lay on the people providing evidence to defend a point that is uncontested? Has a single person who raided in kunark said they remember trak as a 7 day spawn?

FWIW the most compelling evidence is on LOS updates as it's almost daily and you can tell which were patch day / server up or down days by what is in the update and what they killed

[Striiker]

Regarding the need for LOS to target. I remember being in Najena a long time ago on live. There was a monk who was getting healed while we were in Drelzna's room; by a cleric sitting on the floor below. I remember this quite clearly. This was either in 99 or early 2000. Was this something which existed initially and was fixed? Not a complaint, just curious.