I invite anyone to have a regular discussion about guns, feel free to ask anything

[Patriam1066]

19 y/o sexless males don't need guns. I want a virgin test for firearm ownership. If you've never used your penis on a consenting female you're probably an angry maladjusted fuck who shouldnt own a firearm

More importantly, I don't believe pokesan is Irish. Every Irish American I've ever met is bottom tier IQ and I have a quiet admiration for poke's terse trolling

God bless

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wow mick this was exceptionally lucid for you. I appreciate your insight and presentation of facts. I have gone from someone who advocated removal of AR-15s to someone who is now ready to pledge allegiance to the God Emperor and brin G fire and FURY to my enemy the Chinaman who dwells at the heart of every degenerate libcuck surrounding me in this City in the West

While I agree with this, I reflexively disagree with Mick's delusional opposition to common sense

But I'm with you on the yellow horde. The mongols took Iran. They won't take America

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by katrik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What would you guys do?

Hold the line as best as you can, resolve to weather the storm. Many times in my own life I wish I had the foresight to not jump ship because I thought I had it bad where I was only to find I had got myself into something much worse. If only I had the discipline to not move a muscle, to be strong.

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Columbine High School massacre. (the one that set the precedent for current day hysteria)

Although their precise motives remain unclear, the personal journals of the perpetrators document that they wished their actions to rival the Oklahoma City bombing and other deadly incidents in the United States in the 1990s. The attack has been referred to by USA Today as a "suicidal attack [that was] planned as a grand—if badly implemented—terrorist bombing." The massacre sparked debate over gun control laws, high school cliques, subcultures, and bullying. It resulted in an increased emphasis on school security with zero tolerance policies, and a moral panic over goth culture, gun culture, social outcasts (though the perpetrators were not outcasts), the use of pharmaceutical anti-depressants by teenagers, teenage Internet use, and violence in video games.

Oklahoma City Bombing

The chief conspirators, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, met in 1988 at Fort Benning during basic training for the U.S. Army. Michael Fortier, McVeigh's accomplice, was his Army roommate. The three shared interests in survivalism. They expressed anger at the federal government's handling of the 1992 Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) standoff with Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge as well as the Waco siege—a 1993 51-day standoff between the FBI and Branch Davidian members which began with a botched ATF attempt to execute a search warrant leading to a fire fight (it is unknown whether ATF agents or Branch Davidians fired the first shot) and ended with the burning and shooting deaths of David Koresh and 75 others. In March 1993, McVeigh visited the Waco site during the standoff, and then again after its conclusion. McVeigh later decided to bomb a federal building as a response to the raids.

Branch Davidians and Waco

The doctrinal beliefs of the Branch Davidians differ on teachings such as the Holy Spirit and his nature, and the feast days and their requirements. Both groups have disputed the relevance of the other's spiritual authority based on the proceedings following Victor Houteff's death. From its inception in 1930, the Davidians/Shepherd's Rod group believed themselves to be living in a time when Biblical prophecies of a final divine judgment were coming to pass as a prelude to Christ's Second Coming.

Houteff founded the Davidians based on his prophecy of an imminent apocalypse involving the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and the defeat of the evil armies of "Babylon". As the original Davidian group gained members, its leadership moved the church to a hilltop several miles east of Waco, Texas, which they named Mount Carmel, after a mountain in Israel mentioned in Joshua 19:26 in the Bible's Old Testament. A few years later, they moved again to a much larger site east of the city. In 1959, the widow of Victor Houteff, Florence Houteff, announced that the expected Armageddon was about to take place, and members were told to gather at the center to await this event. Many built houses, others stayed in tents, trucks, or buses, and most sold their possessions

The Seventh-day Adventist Church, the main church in the Adventist tradition, rejected Victor Houteff's teachings and revoked his membership in 1930. Houteff went on to found the Davidians (a splinter group, otherwise known as the Shepherd's Rod). Branch Davidians are considered a splinter group from that dissenting group (the Davidians/Shephard's Rod) and came out from a schism among the Davidians/Shepherd's Rod initiated by Benjamin Roden.

One modern incarnation of the Branch Davidians exists under the leadership of Charles Pace, a follower of Ben and Lois Roden, who was a member of the Branch Davidians since the mid-1970s. The Branch, The Lord Our Righteousness is a legally recognized denomination with 12 members. Pace claims that Koresh twisted the Bible’s teachings by fathering more than a dozen children with members’ wives. Pace feels the Lord "has anointed me and appointed me to be the leader" but he claims he is "not a prophet" but "a teacher of righteousness". Like the Branch Davidians under Koresh, this incarnation is waiting for the end of times.

Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge

Aryan Nations, a white supremacist group, at its compound in Hayden Lake, Idaho, in the late 1980s. Weaver was not a member of the Aryan Nations, but he shared the group’s white supremacist and antigovernment views. At one of the meetings, Weaver befriended an informant of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), who purchased two illegal sawed-off shotguns from Weaver in October 1989.

When Weaver refused to become an informant for the ATF, federal agents pursued a weapons charge against him. He was arrested and released with a trial set for February 19, 1991. The trial was then moved to February 20, but a probation officer sent a letter to Weaver, incorrectly stating that the new trial date was March 20. When Weaver failed to appear for trial, the court issued a bench warrant for his arrest. Weaver was subsequently indicted by a federal grand jury for failing to appear at trial, and the U.S. Marshal Service was tasked with arresting him. Marshals assessed that Weaver and his family were likely to resist violently if confronted directly, so plans for a stealth operation were drawn up.

On August 21, 1992, the situation turned violent after Weaver’s dog discovered a surveillance team of six heavily armed U.S. marshals inside the Ruby Ridge property. One of them shot and killed the dog, which led to an exchange of fire with Sammy Weaver, who was shot in the back and killed. Harris also opened fire, killing Degan. After the shootings, the federal marshals requested assistance from the FBI, which dispatched its Hostage Rescue Team to Ruby Ridge. On August 22, Lon Horiuchi, an FBI sniper hiding about 200 yards (183 metres) from the cabin at Ruby Ridge, opened fire when he believed Weaver and Harris were preparing to shoot at an FBI helicopter. The first shot hit Randy Weaver in the arm. Horiuchi fired a second shot, meant for Harris, as the men ran back into the cabin. The bullet struck Vicki Weaver in the face while she held her infant daughter behind the front door of the cabin and also injured Harris. Vicki Weaver died soon after, but her body remained in the cabin for 11 days.

Aryan Nations

Aryan Nations, also called Church of Jesus Christ Christian, prominent Christian Identity-based group founded in the United States in the 1970s. In the 1970s and ’80s the Aryan Nations developed a strong network comprising neo-Nazi, skinhead, Ku Klux Klan (KKK), white supremacist, and militia groups, many of which congregated and networked at the Aryan Nations compound in Hayden Lake, Idaho.

The Aryan Nations was rooted in the Christian Identity movement in the United States, which grew in popularity in the mid-20th century. Christian Identity adherents believed that white Aryans were the “chosen people,” that Africans were subhuman, that Jews were descendants of Ba'al, (A) Devil, and that the world was moving toward a race war. In 1970 American Christian religious leader and white supremacist Richard Girnt Butler, newly ordained by the American Institute of Theology (AIT), which reflected Christian Identity beliefs, took over a large Christian Identity congregation in Lancaster, California, after its leader, Wesley Swift, died. In 1973 Butler moved the congregation to a compound in Hayden Lake, Idaho, and created the Church of Jesus Christ Christian. In 1978 Butler founded the church’s political arm, the Aryan Nations.

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Within the long, dark shadow of American ethnic and cultural conflicts, fraternal and patriotic organizations, with their own idealized mythological identities combined with the entrenched and accepted nativist sentiment of that era, became embroiled in an American struggle for identity.

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Counter Culture

The hippie movement has found historical precedents as far back as the Mazdakist movement in Persia (hello Patriam), whose leader the Persian reformer Mazdak, advocated communal living, the sharing with of resources, vegetarianism and free love. A 1967 article in Time Magazine asserted that the hippie movement has a historical precedent in the counterculture of the Ancient Greeks, espoused by philosophers like Diogenes of Sinope and the Cynics. The article also claimed that the hippies were influenced by the ideals of Jesus Christ, Hillel the Elder, Buddha, St. Francis of Assisi, Henry David Thoreau, Gandhi, and others.

Parkland survivor Emma Gonzalez, the bisexual president of Stoneman Douglas High School’s Gay-Straight Alliance, has spoken out about the way her sexuality fuels her activism.

Together with fellow students like David Hogg and Cameron Kasky, the 18-year-old has prompted a tidal wave of public sentiment in favour of better gun regulation following the shooting in Florida. She has been at the forefront of the #NeverAgain movement since her impassioned speech at a rally last month in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, when she emotively repeated the phrase “We call BS” about NRA-funded politicians, gun advocates and those who don’t believe the Parkland teenagers know enough to speak up.

The Flags of the Human Race or the Flags of the Races, which was a rainbow flag that originated and used at college campuses during the 1960s as part of demonstrations for world peace and the Hippie Movement, was also a speculated inspiration. The flag had horizontal stripes coloured red, black, brown, yellow, and white from top to bottom. Baker supposedly adapted the design and used the colours of the rainbow, each having specific meaning. Take note that the Hippie Movement of the 1960s was largely influenced by pioneering gay activist Allen Ginsberg.

Identity, Who are we?

After the British writer G. K. Chesterton visited the United States for the first time, he remarked that America was “a nation with the soul of a church.”

Mr. Chesterton wasn’t referring to the nation’s religiosity but to its formation around a set of core political beliefs enshrined in founding “sacred texts,” like the Declaration of Independence. He noted that the United States, unlike European countries, did not rely on ethnic kinship, cultural character or a “national type” for a shared identity.

The profoundness of the American experiment, he argued, was that it aspired to create “a home out of vagabonds and a nation out of exiles” united by voluntary assent to commonly held political beliefs.

But recent survey data provides troubling evidence that a shared sense of national identity is unraveling, with two mutually exclusive narratives emerging along party lines. At the heart of this divide are opposing reactions to changing demographics and culture. The shock waves from these transformations — harnessed effectively by Donald Trump’s campaign — are reorienting the political parties from the more familiar liberal-versus-conservative alignment to new poles of cultural pluralism and monism.

(Note: Blaming the Trump campaign is indirect, for sure many of the issues that have been boiling under the surface have showed their heads during this Administration.. as they were designed to do. What is readily seen is that we do not want to deal with them and frankly we don't know how to. We see people pulling this way and that but none with a deep grasp, more surface turbulence related. Perhaps we lack the maturity to handle a culture such as ours, maybe we need time to grow into it. Having a Nation of people that can't handle the culture while also being on numerous legal and illegal drugs probably is not the best choice but I say "Fuck It! Damn those torpedoes!" and if we are going to be tested why not throw the hardest and most dynamic test at us. Maintain some kind of faith we will pull through strong and come flying out the other side like a bat outta hell.)

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

19 y/o sexless males don't need guns. I want a virgin test for firearm ownership. If you've never used your penis on a consenting female you're probably an angry maladjusted fuck who shouldnt own a firearm

More importantly, I don't believe pokesan is Irish. Every Irish American I've ever met is bottom tier IQ and I have a quiet admiration for poke's terse trolling

God bless

Only a stupid democrat or immigrant would be so naive to realize parents buy their kids guns in America so that won’t help either. But it WILL give you guys the false send of self worth for “doing something” Democrat fascists that want to destroy the country YOU fled to, y’all are looking for.

I know you think you’re right I know you and every Democrat think you’re right but we’re not going to sacrifice the bill of rights for legislation that will not stop mass shootings so YOU can feel like you did something.

You’re a traitor and part of the rebel alliance.

Once again for every unconstitutional idea, there is a constitutional solution that would be just as helpful if not more helpful than these petty unconstitutional laws that you’re talking about that is so easily manipulated and won’t change a thing.

All we say over and over again is there are constitutional solutions why do you only think unconstitutional solutions will work? Because you’ve been manipulated.

[mickmoranis]

If liberals wanted to get rid of NRA funding, and we’re actually interested in maintains a free America, they wouldn’t be fighting to take one institution that they don’t agree withs ability to be involved in political donations, they’d be trying to get rid of campaign financing all together. But Hillary even rolled back Obama era limits on funding so she could get more money.

Constitutional: limit campaign funding
Unconstitutional: ban only certain organizations you disagree with from campaign funding

Political parties are cults and there trying to take over America and change it however they see fit and once they get the guns they’ll be able to do whatever they want

[mickmoranis]

Patron sorry bout the big eyes thing trying to stay lucid.

Another HUGE reason why that 19 year old stuff is a bad idea is because this:

1. One school shooter in 30 years bought their guns themselves without help from an adult
2. Very rarely do we roll back gun legislation, only once and it was thanks to wording the NRA put in the short sighted assault weapons ban.
3. So when the 19+ non virgin law (I know that but you were joking but hey here’s some
More humor for ya) turns out to not work, the left will just move onto the NEXT attack on the second amendment.
4. The strategy is to keep reducing the citizens rights to own guns until they have no right to own one at all. This is a game hard been played for decades. This isn’t a secret most lefty politicians have come out and said this, Diane Dinestine for one.

The right for a citizen to bare arms shall not be infringed. The wording is there to prevent incremental dissolving of the second amendement. It was an actual discussion they had while penning it, how to prevent society from instituting unconstitutional law this very way.

Hope this helps!

Remember for every idea to limit the second amendment that won’t do much, there is a constitutional policy that either won’t do as much or will do more. So to people who want to “do something” why do nothing while you blame others for doing nothing when there is plenty you can do that the left ignores instead to go straight for the guns?

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Lulz~Sect [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Meanwhile the left wants to limit free speech attack people it disgrees with, with physical violence, rally’s the youth to fight for dissolving our bill of rights, blames problems on a race/sex, and calls everyone a nazi to justify their moral superiority...

And we don’t even have an economic downturn.... imagine how badly we’d need tonprot car ourselves from that group during an actual economic crash!

Try and convince me we don’t need security when our twonleading political parties have become cults?!

[Irulan]

I don't feel particularly bad about guns either way. I think the fact that they are so prolific and deadly does make a difference in modern times, however.

It's not like a village of 100 with 100 guns. Over 100 mile areas. We have millions of people with millions of guns all tightly packed in small areas.

Ya. Bad stuff will happen. It's just inevitable. It will happen with more frequency. And it will happen less spread out over time.

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Lulz~Sect [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

derp

hey bro, i know you are governed by your emotions but if you could just try to maintain your composure for a few seconds while you try to have an actual discussion that'd be great, or you know, go ahead and shave your head and talk about your vigina and clap like the rest of the SJW's that follow 14 year old spokespersons [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Irulan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't feel particularly bad about guns either way. I think the fact that they are so prolific and deadly does make a difference in modern times, however.

It's not like a village of 100 with 100 guns. Over 100 mile areas. We have millions of people with millions of guns all tightly packed in small areas.

Ya. Bad stuff will happen. It's just inevitable. It will happen with more frequency. And it will happen less spread out over time.

this is the same argument to ban Muslims from flying into the country though, literally same logic.

The difference between the right and the left is, there is a bill of rights that prevents us from doing one thing for very good reasons, that doesnt prevent us from doing the other thing.

So when a lib is like, "why do this but not that!" again, it ahs to be said over and over, one is constitutionally protected and the other isnt.

I wish libs would just understand this basic reality.

To libs I say: LOOK at what you can do to things/people that aren't constitutionally protected, you can literally ban them from entering the country... so START CHANGING things that are not constitutionally protected instead of barking the SAME rhetoric for 50 years, without changing anything while shouting that hopes and prayers does nothing.