Server policing expectations

[Spyder73]

Originally Posted by wtsgoodtime [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That seems really wrong. The server rules (#2) do indicate it is up to interpretation by the GM, but it sounds like you were holding those spawns down and the person stole the spawn. I can't understand why a GM would essentially encourage that behavior by giving them what they want. Anyway, sorry you had to deal with that.

You cant 'camp' outdoor mobs. Ask any Druid who has ever quadded their way to 60 how many f#cks are given if someone comes and starts stealing your quad mobs. Answer: zero f#cks given. Seafuries are definitely FTE regardless of weather you can keep the entire island down or not.

Caveat to the FTE rule is if a player is kiting more than 5 mobs you can tag off their train. So when you see a Bard with 10 mobs behind him feel free to start picking them off and killing them.

[wtsgoodtime]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You cant 'camp' outdoor mobs. Ask any Druid who has ever quadded their way to 60 how many f#cks are given if someone comes and starts stealing your quad mobs. Answer: zero f#cks given. Seafuries are definitely FTE regardless of weather you can keep the entire island down or not.

Caveat to the FTE rule is if a player is kiting more than 5 mobs you can tag off their train. So when you see a Bard with 10 mobs behind him feel free to start picking them off and killing them.

Gotcha. I think that is what NegaStoat also found out. Even with static, non-roamers, you cannot camp outdoor mobs (with the exception of a single static spawn?).

This is all news to me ... I figured you should camp static spawns that you can hold down, but apparently not.

All of that is of course irrelevant with respect to seafuries... those are roamers.

[Triiz]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You cant 'camp' outdoor mobs. Ask any Druid who has ever quadded their way to 60 how many f#cks are given if someone comes and starts stealing your quad mobs. Answer: zero f#cks given. Seafuries are definitely FTE regardless of weather you can keep the entire island down or not.

Nope. Not that it really matters now that Seafuries suck, but back in the day you could definitely "camp" a single spawn. The one by the tree at the druid rings was best cause you could sit right on the spawn and still nail 2-3 other spawns with a javelin without moving and not as many people tried to FTE them as the top of hill spawns. It was shitty plat, but sometimes it was better than getting no spawns when 10 people were there.

Wrong. I guess I should have been more clear in my explanation. If you are sitting on a single spawn point, then sure, you can "camp" it. But if you and another player are camping 1 spawn point each, and fighting over a 3rd spawn point (that is not camped by someone), that NPC then becomes FTE. Don't expect to sit on multiple spawn points and claim it as a camp, you get 1 spawn point, the rest are FTE.

Not sure how to quote closed threaads but that^^ is Llandris re: seafury camping

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Triiz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure how to quote closed threaads but that^^ is Llandris re: seafury camping

For future reference you add "= Llandris" inside the quote tag. So (using parenthesis instead of brackets):


(QUOTE=Llandris)some quote(/QUOTE)

[wtsgoodtime]

Originally Posted by Triiz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope. Not that it really matters now that Seafuries suck, but back in the day you could definitely "camp" a single spawn. The one by the tree at the druid rings was best cause you could sit right on the spawn and still nail 2-3 other spawns with a javelin without moving and not as many people tried to FTE them as the top of hill spawns. It was shitty plat, but sometimes it was better than getting no spawns when 10 people were there.



Not sure how to quote closed threaads but that^^ is Llandris re: seafury camping

These are the types of situations that would be nice to have clarified in the formal server rules.

Does it matter if indoor or outdoor? Does it matter if named or not?

I for one would just prefer to just play nice and use common sense, but when confronted over something like this, I'd like to know the rules.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by wtsgoodtime [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These are the types of situations that would be nice to have clarified in the formal server rules.

Does it matter if indoor or outdoor? Does it matter if named or not?

I for one would just prefer to just play nice and use common sense, but when confronted over something like this, I'd like to know the rules.

This is not the first post like this here, and it certainly won't be the last. Personally I think posts like these are a side effect of two problems:

1. some of the actual P99 rules are never published
2. the rules which are published exist in several different places

Even leaving out the raid rules, P99 currently has five published rules pages:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=159515
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=132299
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=211699
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=2651
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=1057

That can't be helping people learn the rules here ... but even if they did read all of those posts they still wouldn't know some important server rules.

Now I understand why the staff doesn't want to publish "the real rules": they want (and, I'd argue, need) the freedom to make rulings on the fly ... but I still feel like there's a potential happy medium possible where they publish the real rules but still leave some details (eg. specific camps) unspecified so that they aren't constrained in their rulings.

Camps are a perfect example: there are the rules as published (in however many different places), and there are the actual rules. The actual rules are:

Originally Posted by Loramin

Outdoor Zones*: You can "camp" one mob, IF you wait at its spawn point and IF you kill both it and its placeholders in a timely fashion. You can camp more than one mob if you want, but if someone else shows up and wants to share you each get a single spawn point (as the person who was there first you get to pick which one).

Everything* in an outdoor zone that isn't explicitly coming from a camped spawn point is FTE (First to Engage). In other words, whoever agroes the mob first gets it.

Indoor Zones*: Similar to outdoor zones, but you usually can camp multiple mobs; instead of a single spawn point you typically use line of sight to decide where one person's camp stops and another's starts.

*: There are exceptions to both of the above. One obvious exception is raid mobs, which have their own set of rules. There are others though, like the two spawn point camp for the Goblin Ghazugi Ring: I believe most GMs won't force you to share those two spawn points, but there's no way to know for sure until someone petitions you.

P99 could still make the rules so much clearer by:

1. having a single rules page
2. including all of the "real" server rules (but not a specific camp list) in that document

I would be more than happy to do the work of trying to create that document IF it was desired, but unfrotunately for now the status quo of five documents with parts of the rules left out seems to be what the staff wants.

[wtsgoodtime]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is not the first post like this here, and it certainly won't be the last. Personally I think posts like these are a side effect of two problems:

1. some of the actual P99 rules are never published
2. the rules which are published exist in several different places

Even leaving out the raid rules, P99 currently has five published rules pages:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=159515
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=132299
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=211699
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=2651
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=1057

That can't be helping people learn the rules here ... but even if they did read all of those posts they still wouldn't know some important server rules.

Now I understand why the staff doesn't want to publish "the real rules": they want (and, I'd argue, need) the freedom to make rulings on the fly ... but I still feel like there's a potential happy medium possible where they publish the real rules but still leave some details (eg. specific camps) unspecified so that they aren't constrained in their rulings.

Camps are a perfect example: there are the rules as published (in however many different places), and there are the actual rules. The actual rules are:



P99 could still make the rules so much clearer by:

1. having a single rules page
2. including all of the "real" server rules (but not a specific camp list) in that document

I would be more than happy to do the work of trying to create that document IF it was desired, but unfrotunately for now the status quo of five documents with parts of the rules left out seems to be what the staff wants.

Thanks for all of the links and constructive post! I think it'd be great to consolidate down to a single page with as clear rules as possible.

[Ket]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Caveat to the FTE rule is if a player is kiting more than 5 mobs you can tag off their train. So when you see a Bard with 10 mobs behind him feel free to start picking them off and killing them.

Wait, is this true?

Those muthafukkers in NK kiting all my goddamn Willowisps are about to get it.