Ruining EQ

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I respect your perspective and how you put your thought on the matter here.

But when players exploit rule set after rule set after rule set, how is this admin's fault?

If players actually honored any sort of PnP, the crap that goes on wouldn't happen in the first place.

Every infraction that occurs is because some greedy neckbeard nerd is not following guidelines.

Every time rules are set down, players work to find ways to exploit the rules or find ways around them thus forcing the hand of admin to create more rules. It's similar to how anti-virus programmers and virus creators interact. The programmer constantly is having to adapt and change because the virus creators always are looking and finding ways to work around the anti-virus programmers anti-virus programs.

I don't need to be an active raider now to understand one huge component to the problems in the raid scene is player greed.

I was in a raid guild 2 different times, and during the last 3 month stint got to see enough within that guild to understand players raiding often times are in the guild only for themselves and are extraordinarily greedy. It was so annoying I no longer wanted to log my toons in while in that guild.

I am objective enough to understand this mentality is possessed by top tier raid guilds as well, and this is why you have players constantly trying to cheat their way to get pixels before other guilds can, it's greed that fuels them not poorly made raid rules that are in effect.

Players need to take responsibility and stop trying to pretend all the problems within the raid scene is caused by admin or bad rule sets. No one is making these players do what they do except themselves ffs.

There's a lot of petitions in the grey area of the rules. Many aren't ruled on one way or another as they are inconclusive.

As well unintentional violations. Do you think Lord Bob intended to violate the convoluted tracker FTE rule? Or say you're on a COTH mage and you get trained, congratulations you're in violation of tracker FTE! I guess you're greedy for trying to COTH your guild and save some time.

Wouldn't expect a very casual/non-raider to understand the scene. All I see here is a lot of wishing that everyone was as virtuous a white knight as you.

[Skew]

Originally Posted by Chanto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Versager's Epic CT kite as mentioned...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwc9qgaCxLs

@ 4:20 can see train is assisted on Versager kiteing with Low HP agro
@ 4:40 Versager claims he is not kittens or so, and he knows the game! ( Ouch sorry kittens )
@ 5:00 Versager admits to kiteing as he continues to kite!

This went on for about another 10 minutes after this fraps ends

Versager is an officer of europa the only kinda guild that would openly kite raid mobs and brag about it as they do it! You wouldn't pull moves like this without some type of petition ward activated...

Wonder what happen to aikons if he pulled this move?

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lol. 20 day guild ban and 30 day player ban if Aikons did that. Shitty human beings eh !?

[Rivera]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I respect your perspective and how you put your thought on the matter here.

But when players exploit rule set after rule set after rule set, how is this admin's fault?

If players actually honored any sort of PnP, the crap that goes on wouldn't happen in the first place.

Every infraction that occurs is because some greedy neckbeard nerd is not following guidelines.

Every time rules are set down, players work to find ways to exploit the rules or find ways around them thus forcing the hand of admin to create more rules. It's similar to how anti-virus programmers and virus creators interact. The programmer constantly is having to adapt and change because the virus creators always are looking and finding ways to work around the anti-virus programmers anti-virus programs.

I don't need to be an active raider now to understand one huge component to the problems in the raid scene is player greed.

I was in a raid guild 2 different times, and during the last 3 month stint got to see enough within that guild to understand players raiding often times are in the guild only for themselves and are extraordinarily greedy. It was so annoying I no longer wanted to log my toons in while in that guild.

I am objective enough to understand this mentality is possessed by top tier raid guilds as well, and this is why you have players constantly trying to cheat their way to get pixels before other guilds can, it's greed that fuels them not poorly made raid rules that are in effect.

Players need to take responsibility and stop trying to pretend all the problems within the raid scene is caused by admin or bad rule sets. No one is making these players do what they do except themselves ffs.

hahaha. my goodness you dont give up [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by Argh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's the same rule, and it made plenty of sense during Kunark.

How would it have made sense? You can't even exp in a zone like Sebilis or KC while a boss is in window or your guild is permanently DQed when it pops? Even if you all zone out and join the raid starting at the zone line? What new player is going to intuitively understand this?

No, it was stupid. It was a hacked around way of solving a problem. The problem being that variance on a per-mob basis was a bad design idea from the outset, and there weren't programmatic ways of solving the issue.

The tracker rule and no camping on bosses aren't the same rule. You could have zero trackers allowed and force players back to the zone in upon repop. Tracking shouldn't even be a thing, as its equivalent to socking.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If anyone ruins EQ its this guy ^ we should make a thread about everything hes ruined on p99!

ill start...

Dald is responsible for everyone forced to EQUIP their PoM flowers just to use. WHY!!

pras daldaenquest

[Argh]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The tracker rule and no camping on bosses aren't the same rule.

It is, literally, the same rule.

Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location.

via raid.php

GMs have just further clarified this rule to expand what a raid spawn location is to basically everything except the zoneline. Through Rogean's clarification, and suspensions to BDA and Lord Bob

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by Argh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is, literally, the same rule.



via raid.php

GMs have just further clarified this rule to expand what a raid spawn location is to basically everything except the zoneline. Through Rogean's clarification, and suspensions to BDA and Lord Bob

I'm saying you can have a 'no camping on bosses' rule and not allow trackers. Is that hard to understand?

Regardless none of this would exist with variance eliminated in place of quakes & automated succor. No reason not to, aside from the minor disruption to players in the zone. But with advance warning I don't see it as a big deal. Most players on quake are going to be doing something other than exping even in a casual guild.

[skarlorn]

The real barrier to entry is not looking as cool as warriors with epics

[Rivera]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The real barrier to entry is not looking as cool as warriors with epics

the first and only epic I got on live. was so fucking proud of myself, even though it was late luclin. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by Caiu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Variance is classic. Not going anywhere although windows should be roughly 3 times as long. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

True but P99 server pop is way higher than any classic. I'm pretty sure there wasn't enough endgame players on live servers to sock through the variance windows