Ruining EQ - Page 38

Mendo · #**371** 12-26-2017, 02:35 PM

The tracker rule made perfect sense in Kunark where dragons can be instabdead within seconds of spawning.

Nexii · #**372** 12-26-2017, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Greed of players plain and simple.

When you start talking dragon pixels, there are players who's greed show no boundaries. Players early on found ways to cheat other players out of their dragon pixels using exploits or just dirty play.

To try to reel in these players, rules were made.

The same greedy neckbeard players found loopholes and new ways to exploit around the rules, so then more rules are made.

This pattern seems to have continued since p99 raiding came into existence, and so you got what we have now.

Some people blame the staff but in all honesty it's not staff it's 100% player-made problems culminating from greed.

It's sad because it's just fucking pixels.

The problem isn't extreme greed. Most of the people across both hardcore and casual guilds are not bad people. The problems come from competition/overpopulation and the scarcity model of EQ.

I do primarily blame the server staff for the mess that P99 raiding is. The raid rules are set by the staff not the players. On the whole they haven't been well thought out or considered if the goal is to have a healthy raid scene with both hardcore and casual guilds getting a take of the pixels. For that matter I can't see how the server rule set is easy or fun for the GMs themselves to administer.

If you actually raided you'd know how inane a lot of them are. Perhaps this is half the issue, the GMs don't raid as they aren't allowed to (conflict of interest). Most of the input is from the 1% neckbeards and the rules are very twisted to cater to the worst kinds of behavior.

The tracker FTE rule would have barely made sense in Kunark let alone Velious. It creates a bunch of toxic side effects for any zone with more than one raid target. There's a huge incentive to pull everything to the zone in to avoid being permanently DQed. This in turn makes guilds train each other often unintentionally. That's not to mention all the inanity regarding being DQed simply for exping in a zone while a boss happened to pop.

Nexii · #**373** 12-26-2017, 02:52 PM

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Ths glory that would unfold if they removed the 2 fracker rule. You'd have 200 neckbeards huddled in Vulaks room during his window and they'd keep the 6 Drakes down, all while spam clicking Vulak's spawn point. Send out some DA runners to clear paths to Lords and Ladies as they spawn and single pull dragons back onto the bridge to kill them.

At least then the entrance may be safe.

I think the no camping out on bosses rule has to stay. The meta shouldn't be who has the best autofire macro and/or ping.

Erati · #**374** 12-26-2017, 02:54 PM

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Ths glory that would unfold if they removed the 2 fracker rule. You'd have 200 neckbeards huddled in Vulaks room during his window and they'd keep the 6 Drakes down, all while spam clicking Vulak's spawn point. Send out some DA runners to clear paths to Lords and Ladies as they spawn and single pull dragons back onto the bridge to kill them.

At least then the entrance may be safe.

If anyone ruins EQ its this guy ^ we should make a thread about everything hes ruined on p99!

ill start...

Dald is responsible for everyone forced to EQUIP their PoM flowers just to use. WHY!!

Chanto · #**375** 12-26-2017, 03:11 PM

Versager's Epic CT kite as mentioned...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwc9qgaCxLs

@ 4:20 can see train is assisted on Versager kiteing with Low HP agro
@ 4:40 Versager claims he is not kittens or so, and he knows the game! ( Ouch sorry kittens )
@ 5:00 Versager admits to kiteing as he continues to kite!

This went on for about another 10 minutes after this fraps ends

Versager is an officer of europa the only kinda guild that would openly kite raid mobs and brag about it as they do it! You wouldn't pull moves like this without some type of petition ward activated...

Wonder what happen to aikons if he pulled this move?

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Lhancelot · #**376** 12-26-2017, 03:32 PM

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The problem isn't extreme greed. Most of the people across both hardcore and casual guilds are not bad people. The problems come from competition/overpopulation and the scarcity model of EQ.

I do primarily blame the server staff for the mess that P99 raiding is. The raid rules are set by the staff not the players. On the whole they haven't been well thought out or considered if the goal is to have a healthy raid scene with both hardcore and casual guilds getting a take of the pixels. For that matter I can't see how the server rule set is easy or fun for the GMs themselves to administer.

If you actually raided you'd know how inane a lot of them are. Perhaps this is half the issue, the GMs don't raid as they aren't allowed to (conflict of interest). Most of the input is from the 1% neckbeards and the rules are very twisted to cater to the worst kinds of behavior.

The tracker FTE rule would have barely made sense in Kunark let alone Velious. It creates a bunch of toxic side effects for any zone with more than one raid target. There's a huge incentive to pull everything to the zone in to avoid being permanently DQed. This in turn makes guilds train each other often unintentionally. That's not to mention all the inanity regarding being DQed simply for exping in a zone while a boss happened to pop.

I respect your perspective and how you put your thought on the matter here.

But when players exploit rule set after rule set after rule set, how is this admin's fault?

If players actually honored any sort of PnP, the crap that goes on wouldn't happen in the first place.

Every infraction that occurs is because some greedy neckbeard nerd is not following guidelines.

Every time rules are set down, players work to find ways to exploit the rules or find ways around them thus forcing the hand of admin to create more rules. It's similar to how anti-virus programmers and virus creators interact. The programmer constantly is having to adapt and change because the virus creators always are looking and finding ways to work around the anti-virus programmers anti-virus programs.

I don't need to be an active raider now to understand one huge component to the problems in the raid scene is player greed.

I was in a raid guild 2 different times, and during the last 3 month stint got to see enough within that guild to understand players raiding often times are in the guild only for themselves and are extraordinarily greedy. It was so annoying I no longer wanted to log my toons in while in that guild.

I am objective enough to understand this mentality is possessed by top tier raid guilds as well, and this is why you have players constantly trying to cheat their way to get pixels before other guilds can, it's greed that fuels them not poorly made raid rules that are in effect.

Players need to take responsibility and stop trying to pretend all the problems within the raid scene is caused by admin or bad rule sets. No one is making these players do what they do except themselves ffs.