BDA to Phinigel

[skarlorn]

*equips his class R vending machine epic*

smiles at Argh

*logs off for years*

[kaev]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*equips his class R vending machine epic*

smiles at Argh

*logs off for years*

^^
This is why we can't have nice things!

[Mistle]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is pretty damn close to spot on. I would add that the leadership of BDA was extremely fearful to try and compete, namely chest and anthrax. They posited that we would burn out and couldn't handle the cutthroat nature of fighting tmo/Ib. Meanwhile, we cut the throat of the class R rotation and commenced guild wide socking efforts to win raid mobs simply due to overwhelming numbers.

During this time, many vets who made up the backbone of BDA's skilled player base were hungry to go class C. We had a veteran forum where vets would regularly ask to go DKP and start trying to compete. Vet forum denigrated into a place where you aired your grievances and then got told the status quo was all we got.

There was a big demand and energy to go hard in BDA. Casual players who played full time, etc. But leadership did not properly leverage this. Essentially, chest thought he was the best puller in the world and he was only average. So we often lost FFA engages and velious content because our overly prideful leadership choked up and frequently made bad strategic decisions. Our best pullers like Yiska rightfully went to the guilds willing to use their talent. Velious created a momentary surge in population for BDA only to have skilled vets burn out once they got HoT gear and realize chest never wanted to REALLY go for anything beyond vindi/hot. The rhetoric was that we needed all backbone classes geared with hot and vindi, but it took too long to achieve that b/c loot council regularly awarded velious pixels to the old guard who rarely played instead of prioritizing active player base.

So with the inability to attract enough talent, a worsening sive effect on membership, and leadership who were afraid to fail, the guild basically died and moved to phinny, only to prolongate its inevitable demise.

I will say Chest had good intentions and certainly inspired comradery. He was not a greedy player. Just not ideally suited to lead a raid guild in an environment like p99 that favors min maxing players who seek to be the best and cut chaff.

Here's the thing: Chest knew what it was going to take to be a class C rotation guild. But he didn't want to be the one doing it. Who would? Takes a special kind of person to sit and stare at a wall or door for sixteen hours. He did not like asking people to do something that he himself didn't want to do. Some people would have been willing anyways, like Valse, but the guild was already asking Valse to do way too much. Strong leadership might have made incentives to do this and BDA would have been "competing", but frankly the commitment needed to do that kind of retarded bullshit just wasn't there for enough people.

BDA stayed the course hoping for one of the promises by the staff to actually come true - that there would be a lot more earthquakes. Unfortunately depending on Sirken for literally any kind of positive action is a big mistake. When it never happened, they took the best way out they saw. Had a lot more fun than anyone standing at a "start line", can tell you that.

[skarlorn]

there are a lot more earthquakes now

[rebeccablack]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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imagine being mentally ill enough to be this mad at a group of cyber elves after 3 years

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"start line"

How this came to be the best compromise he could come up with still boggles the mind.

[Kushie]

BDA didn't make p99 raiding terrible

[Kushie]

I'm pretty glad I don't raid 3-4 nights a week anymore. I don't like DoN or any expansion after. EQ starts to get boring after you beat PoP. PoP progression was honestly too easy also. I don't think we wiped until EarthB

[Valakut]

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's the thing: Chest knew what it was going to take to be a class C rotation guild. But he didn't want to be the one doing it. Who would? Takes a special kind of person to sit and stare at a wall or door for sixteen hours. He did not like asking people to do something that he himself didn't want to do. Some people would have been willing anyways, like Valse, but the guild was already asking Valse to do way too much.

I think a lot of us knew what it would take. That's why for most of us there was no hard feelings in the end. Pretty sure most of BDA also knew we could of been the kings of class C if we wanted but at the same time most of BDA knew it was a pointless struggle.


Mark 8:36King James Version (KJV)

36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

Pick whatever class C guild you think was the most victorious of p99. How many of them will be gaming together 5 years from now? How many will be gaming together 10 years from now? I think most people were just measuring a guilds success with the wrong instrument.

BDA Detroit Meetup 2027

[Erati]

come back BDA - theres still 2 more repops left this month !!

Never got to down Yelinak? Well now here's your chance!