Making Money Early On

[wagorf]

all the advice to collect and sell skins/bone chips/silk and stuff are dumb - return of investment is insanely low and u get zero xp

20 stacks of bone chips = 200pp, are u kidding me?

the time to collect items and find a buyer, u could have leveled to 30s or 40s easy - durin those levels you can vendor fine steel/gems off while xping

starting at 50 regular xping should net u at least 300p per day

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by wagorf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

all the advice to collect and sell skins/bone chips/silk and stuff are dumb - return of investment is insanely low and u get zero xp

It's not dumb to spend 1-4 killing decaying skeletons and walking out with 2 backpacks of bone chips, a full set of cloth armor and enough cash loot to buy an entry 10:25 weapon from EC instead of killing moss snakes and walking away with nothing.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not dumb to spend 1-4 killing decaying skeletons and walking out with 2 backpacks of bone chips, a full set of cloth armor and enough cash loot to buy an entry 10:25 weapon from EC instead of killing moss snakes and walking away with nothing.

[wagorf]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not dumb to spend 1-4 killing decaying skeletons and walking out with 2 backpacks of bone chips, a full set of cloth armor and enough cash loot to buy an entry 10:25 weapon from EC instead of killing moss snakes and walking away with nothing.

so ur spending ur time getting no xp to get tiny little plat, and then more time trying to find buyer in EC. what a great roi...im guessing you have no clue what roi is

killing decayed instead of moss - lol sure if level 1 through 3 takes 4 hours then go ahead

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by wagorf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so ur spending ur time getting no xp to get tiny little plat, and then more time trying to find buyer in EC. what a great roi...im guessing you have no clue what roi is

killing decayed instead of moss - lol sure if level 1 through 3 takes 4 hours then go ahead

If a new player spends 2 hours farming bone chips and HQ bear skins, manages to save 500pp from selling lowbie mats to players he can then buy 2 55hp rings and a decent weapon like a green jade broadsword or a crystalline spider fang etc.

The 2 hours spent gathering mats to sell for profit will easily save time in the long run for a noob when they then can slaughter mobs with a 10/22 magic weapon and 110 extra hps compared to swinging a noob non-magical weapon 4/28.

The killing power with a much improved weapon alone is reason enough for a noob to work on getting a little bit of plat as they start out... How do you not understand this?

Unless you plan that someone will hand the brand new player gear for free, it definitely pays off for a new player to use the economics to their favor gathering lowbie mats to sell for profit. This way they earn their gears themselves too.

[wagorf]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a new player spends 2 hours farming bone chips and HQ bear skins, manages to save 500pp from selling lowbie mats to players he can then buy 2 55hp rings and a decent weapon like a green jade broadsword or a crystalline spider fang etc.

The 2 hours spent gathering mats to sell for profit will easily save time in the long run for a noob when they then can slaughter mobs with a 10/22 magic weapon and 110 extra hps compared to swinging a noob non-magical weapon 4/28.

The killing power with a much improved weapon alone is reason enough for a noob to work on getting a little bit of plat as they start out... How do you not understand this?

Unless you plan that someone will hand the brand new player gear for free, it definitely pays off for a new player to use the economics to their favor gathering lowbie mats to sell for profit. This way they earn their gears themselves too.

(1) it takes way more than 2 hours. killing, gathering, and then idle in EC looking for a trade takes way more than that, the roi vs time spent is horrible

(2) you assume the plat from bone chips can greatly increase the efficiency in leveling. this works only for melees, and without regen/haste which they cant afford, the down time is still huge. and for caster classes that 200p isn't going to do jack shxx

(3) if the intention to get plat is to buy gears to improve leveling efficiency, then the goal is to "save time". when you do nothing but gather bone chips and try to find a match in EC, that is the opposite of saving time. the hours you spent doing the looting/selling already well exceed the time you saved on leveling with cheap gears.

(4) 50pp weapons vs. 200pp weapons has almost no difference in leveling efficiency - on top of that 50pp weapons can be obtained free just by shouting in EC

(5) 2 hours can get 500pp from bone chips/high Q skins?? now ur just making shxx up. low level newb char solo naked?? 2 hours and you can get enuf bone chips/skins!? dude don't make up shxx man...straight lie

You need to stop lying about all the "great things" new players can obtain on a game like EQ. The fact is they will remain poor and have no leveling efficiency whatsoever without any help. You are painting this great picture what newly started players can achieve, only to let them realize at level 30 or 40 that they couldn't get jack unless they are over 50 or 55. By that time they are mostly too deeply invested into the game - all hours wasted.

You want to encourage new players, sure, but don't paint this fake beautiful picture on how new players can make plat and earn their gears. No they won't get good gears period until late game, and selling bone chips/skins doesn't get anywhere close either. P99 population is full of seasoned player, and every player is for themselves and for greed. Item prices rarely drop despite the increase in item supply. Sit in EC everyday for 2 weeks and you will see.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by wagorf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(1) it takes way more than 2 hours. killing, gathering, and then idle in EC looking for a trade takes way more than that, the roi vs time spent is horrible

(2) you assume the plat from bone chips can greatly increase the efficiency in leveling. this works only for melees, and without regen/haste which they cant afford, the down time is still huge. and for caster classes that 200p isn't going to do jack shxx

(3) if the intention to get plat is to buy gears to improve leveling efficiency, then the goal is to "save time". when you do nothing but gather bone chips and try to find a match in EC, that is the opposite of saving time. the hours you spent doing the looting/selling already well exceed the time you saved on leveling with cheap gears.

(4) 50pp weapons vs. 200pp weapons has almost no difference in leveling efficiency - on top of that 50pp weapons can be obtained free just by shouting in EC

(5) 2 hours can get 500pp from bone chips/high Q skins?? now ur just making shxx up. low level newb char solo naked?? 2 hours and you can get enuf bone chips/skins!? dude don't make up shxx man...straight lie

You need to stop lying about all the "great things" new players can obtain on a game like EQ. The fact is they will remain poor and have no leveling efficiency whatsoever without any help. You are painting this great picture what newly started players can achieve, only to let them realize at level 30 or 40 that they couldn't get jack unless they are over 50 or 55. By that time they are mostly too deeply invested into the game - all hours wasted.

You want to encourage new players, sure, but don't paint this fake beautiful picture on how new players can make plat and earn their gears. No they won't get good gears period until late game, and selling bone chips/skins doesn't get anywhere close either. P99 population is full of seasoned player, and every player is for themselves and for greed. Item prices rarely drop despite the increase in item supply. Sit in EC everyday for 2 weeks and you will see.

1) EC isn't an idle zone for low level characters, in fact it is a great place to XP, farm trade skill or xp quest components as high level buffs are available. That said, you don't even need to go to EC to make sales.

2) I actually agree with this point, and would suggest questing bonechips earnt in the first few levels for kaladim xp. I've found vendored trash from decayed skeletons is often enough to get that entry level 10/25 for melees or a nice ratio 11/20ish 2hb for casters for a reasonable 20-50pp. That said, melee don't need downtime. The battle bandage technique is pretty OP, and coupled with good target selection an untwinked melee can still chain kills without downtime.

3) I can't speak on behalf of Really Useful Poster Lhance, but I'd say the intention is to maximise PP without sacrificing XP. Hence my example of decayed skeletons over moss snakes. And again, bonechips are pretty easy to shift out in the field. Ask passing necromancers, cold call based on /who all, auction in zone. Or again, double duty your EC time.

4) Agreed, but many find handouts distatesful. I'm happy with a 20-50pp 10/25 weapon on a melee for a long time. P1999 newbs are spoiled for weapons. Hell, on one of my war alts I picked up a Fist of Zek for entry level plat. Looted armour is more than enough (I soloed a dark elf war on red to 40 in raw hide armor). If I were to stockpile a couple of hundred early on I'd invest in hp/ac rings. Otherwise I'd sit on that cash and save for haste gloves.

5) Seems a lot to me too. If you get a rusty 2 hander early on you can tear up north ro 1-hit killing for xp and loot, but still 500 is ambitious. 100 stacks of bone chips in 120 mins would be 1 chip looted every 3.6 seconds (assuming 5pp per stack). Assuming you aren't vendoring weapons/bags/armor.