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Old 11-01-2017, 09:57 AM
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It's wrong to characterize vegans as simple products of r-selection. Csihar is right in the there is more to veganism as with every other social issue and empathy certainly plays a role, but not so straightforward as we might expect.

the purpose of my last post was to illustrate that there are highly empathic people who do not practice veganism. we could chock it up to social programming or we could think critically about why that might be.

many people follow their feelings. many others do not. why?

the best reason that I can offer is that those who reject their feelings in whole or in part, do so because they have witnessed the destructive capacity of allowing them to lead. as a result people naturally grow wary of their feelings and become dubious of conclusions which closely align with those feelings no matter how well reasoned.

in the case of veganism we see this in both directions. we see it in people with great empathy who reject the idea as well as in people of little empathy who support it. both have, at least in part, rejected their feelings in pursuit of bettering themselves.
That's pretty much my thought on it too. ^

I believe I have tons of empathy, I love animals more than people (people are awful creatures) and I still am not a vegan. I rarely eat meat, but I do not abstain from all meats all the time.

Anyway, well put MM. I concur.
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Old 11-01-2017, 10:01 AM
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Im going to have to go with what spyder said here... Fetuses are clumps of cells... with heart beats, finger nails, and that can feel pain. Headline reads: Ex-meth head hippy says he can physically dominate and steal from better men and then rape women. Nice.
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Old 11-01-2017, 10:09 AM
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Old 11-01-2017, 10:13 AM
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If animals don't want to be eaten then why are they made of food?

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Old 11-01-2017, 10:22 AM
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I'm actually personally opposed to abortion, boys, I'm simply capable of separating my emotional response from the intellectual truth I stated above: living, pregnant women should be afforded at least as much body autonomy as corpses.

I mean, seriously. "Killing babies?" "Raping women?" You guys sound just fucking overwrought this morning. It is actually possible to impregnate women without rape. It just takes a boner and some good sperm. Which, by the way, is easier when you're vegan. Remember earlier when I was teaching you about cholesterol clogging your arteries? Well it does that inside your wiener, too. This is called "erectile dysfunction" and it's not something vegans deal with. Sorry for your soft penises, Spyder and Swilly. That's just nature's way of protecting the gene pool. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 11-01-2017, 10:24 AM
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Old 11-01-2017, 10:27 AM
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I mean, seriously. "Killing babies?" "Raping women?" You guys sound just fucking overwrought this morning.
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If you had something and I wanted it, I would take it. Basically, you're very fortunate I'm filled with so much empathy and compassion, because if I were more self-centered I'd likely enslave the men of your family and impregnate the women.
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Fetuses are not people, they are simply clumps of cells which are 100% reliant upon their host. Pretty simple, really.
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Old 11-01-2017, 10:28 AM
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Not familiar with your reference. Is that guy someone who can disagree with an action philosophically yet still recognize intellectually how someone else can be entitled to that action?

Edit: Maybe google "overwrought", Spidey.

My posts seem pretty calm and matter-of-fact. I mean, I'm posting 100% indisputable facts and not trolling for an emotional response, unlike you and swill who accuse me of wanting to kill babies and rape women.
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Old 11-01-2017, 10:33 AM
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I'm simply capable of separating my emotional response from the intellectual truth I stated above: living, pregnant women should be afforded at least as much body autonomy as corpses.
I am really confused on how you think a woman should be able to choose whether or not having a child is convenient for her (never mind the father) but you support LARPing in grocery stores for chicken funerals.
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Old 11-01-2017, 10:34 AM
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At this point it seems like he's trolling.

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