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[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Mead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chalk it up to drugs and poor people problems

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[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am fairly conspiracy-minded but I can't see "a lot of IRL USD" being generated on p99. Maybe I am naive too, I don't know.

I just don't see it with such a small population of players, if anything is being made it's pretty small peanuts and it seems staff here is fairly diligent about stuffing any RMT activity.

I can't speak on any conspiracy theories, but I'd be surprised if something like a fungi tunic went for less than 100 USD. If you extrapolate that (40k = 100 USD) out to other items, it means you could sell green scales / white scales (300kpp) for 750 USD. I'm sure there are other raid items that go for 400k+ (1000 USD by my guess). A thousand bucks isn't exactly "small peanuts".

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sure there are other raid items that go for 400k+ (1000 USD by my guess). A thousand bucks isn't exactly "small peanuts".

I guess it's relative to the individual regarding what small peanuts is.

If that much stuff was RMTing, the chances would be even greater that word of mouth about such activity would exist and it doesn't.

I dunno. I just can't cosign on this one.

[Rivera]

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A thousand bucks isn't exactly "small peanuts".

Originally Posted by Mead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

poor people problems

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I joined Aftermath.

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[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Too bad Naethyn doesn't use the mustache human face, it would be even more fitting. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess it's relative to the individual regarding what small peanuts is.

If that much stuff was RMTing, the chances would be even greater that word of mouth about such activity would exist and it doesn't.

I dunno. I just can't cosign on this one.

Depends on the context too, IMO. Is 1000 dollars for a down payment on a house 'small peanuts'? Absolutely. Is 1000 dollars for imaginary pixels in a videogame that drop every single week 'small peanuts'? Not really, IMO. But I guess some people are willing to drop that kind of cash on video game loot, whereas I'd rather play games for fun and save my money to pay bills.

I'm inclined to agree with you it's unlikely that sort of RMT is happening frequently if at all, though. We'd probably know if it was, and then the staff would know and it would be stopped (unless we believe there's a secret RMT conspiracy, of course).

[Papa]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd love to hear who you think is RMTing high up.

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[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Depends on the context too, IMO. Is 1000 dollars for a down payment on a house 'small peanuts'? Absolutely. Is 1000 dollars for imaginary pixels in a videogame that drop every single week 'small peanuts'? Not really, IMO. But I guess some people are willing to drop that kind of cash on video game loot, whereas I'd rather play games for fun and save my money to pay bills.

I'm inclined to agree with you it's unlikely that sort of RMT is happening frequently if at all, though. We'd probably know if it was, and then the staff would know and it would be stopped (unless we believe there's a secret RMT conspiracy, of course).

I just think if it were being done it would have to include only a very small percentage of the population to keep it secret and with such a small active population that really narrows it down to very few people who would be actually doing RMT.

Usually greed gets the best of people, and it leaks out very quickly if nefarious activity such as RMT exists, because a salesperson typically will branch out over time and people talk.

I only had one person actually send a tell offering RMT when I was selling stuff in EC. I immediately sent a petition in, because I didn't want any link to this guy and I got a tell back from staff fairly fast that they were investigating it.

Admittedly, I am not in a big raid guild, I do not partake in that scene at all. I am naive to it a bit. Still, never see any smoke.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just think if it were being done it would have to include only a very small percentage of the population to keep it secret and with such a small active population that really narrows it down to very few people who would be actually doing RMT.

A scientist actually researched this sort of thing once and found:

For a plot to last five years, the maximum was 2521 people. To keep a scheme operating undetected for more than a decade, fewer than 1000 people can be involved. A century-long deception should ideally include fewer than 125 collaborators. Even a straightforward cover-up of a single event, requiring no more complex machinations than everyone keeping their mouth shut, is likely to be blown if more than 650 people are accomplices.

Those numbers might seem high, but he's talking about major conspiracies not RMT in an elf sim. Also he over-estimated:

the number of conspirators and the time before the conspiracy was revealed were over-estimated to ensure that the odds of a leak happening were a 'best case scenario' for the conspirators - around a four in one million chance of deliberate or accidental exposure.

And that doesn't account for the information imbalance either: the staff has access to way more information about what's occurring on their server. It also doesn't account for the fact the conspiracy has to grow: RMTers can't keep making money off the same people forever. When you factor all those things in it looks increasingly unlikely that any RMT "conspiracy" could last very long.

However IF Rogean himself was involved in such a conspiracy it does not seem inconceivable that he could keep it secret ... but you'd have to wear a tinfoil hat to believe he'd put all that effort in to building P99 only to jeopardize it all with something stupid like that.