WTF is going on.

[President]

Really didn't think GM's could see a random spawn timer, crazy, guess I'm wrong. Either way, I don't think ShowEQ can tell (at least when I looked at it 9 years ago all I believe it could do was tell you everything about whatever zone your character was in, IE, where the mobs were, LOCs, etc).

[Virtuosos]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We can.

for some reason, that other bash reference + your post reminded me of this

<Stormrider> I should bomb something
<Stormrider> ...and it's off the cuff remarks like that that are the reason I don't log chats
<Stormrider> Just in case the FBI ever needs anything on me
<Elzie_Ann> I'm sure they can just get it from someone who DOES log chats.
*** FBI has joined #gamecubecafe
<FBI> We saw it anyway.
*** FBI has quit IRC (Quit:

[Rogean]

Bash.org is the win.

[Sloth]

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you should read that quote yourself there bro. You are sitting here complaining about shit that you don't even know anything about. Your camp seems to have a severe lack of understanding of how the system works.

I have a few comments to make but I am really not going to respond again, so I start off with that disclaimer.

1. It honestly makes me laugh that in the first post that we, the development and GM team, are instantly accused of GM-favoritism towards Divinity (?). Seriously folks. Last week IB was on a complete tear claiming our favoritism towards Trans. [sarcasm] So I guess by about this time next week it will be IB's turn for the favortism? /laugh [/sarcasm].

Seriously folks please step back here and use some logic. Every one of these disputes has two opinions. In the end one of these opinions will be at least somewhat validated. This leaves the people of the other opinion as sad kittens. These sad kittens then come to the forums for a few days bitching and complaining about the way things are handled.

2. Short comment on this event in particular.

Members of Transcendence, Divinity and IB all confirmed that Trans was the first guild in the zone. No one has disputed that fact. Just because you are the first in the zone does not constitute you to get that raid target. If you are actively working towards that raid target, and another guild enters the zone and wishes to also engage that target, then the SECOND guild is to call a 30 minute timer on the first guild. This means that the secondary guild has 30 minutes to engage the raid target (Use some common sense here folks).

Here lies the problem with this individual situation. You do NOT get 30 minutes to kill the target. If you attempt to engage the target, or even engage creatures on the way to the target, and have a significant portion of your raid group die and forces you to stop and rez yourselves and recover, you lose your attempt. Consider your attempt null and void. Obviously deaths happen. I am not sitting here saying that if any raid member dies, they instantly lose their right to a target. I am saying that if you lose a significant portion of your raid and you are forced to completely halt your progress to the encounter to try and rez the majority of your guild, then you should consider yourself susceptible to a guild passing you.

This is the case that happened with Trans. We had members of Transcendence admitting to wiping in the process to Maestro. Under the rules of the rotation it would fall into this category:


Your raid failed on the way to your encounter. Which meaning effectively you lost your chance at the mob. There was a mutual understanding between Divinity and IB that Divinity was there first. Since you guys wiped in the process of reaching Maestro, Divinity effectively deserved the legal right to leapfrog you guys.

3. Learn the fucking rules. Seriously.

I keep seeing this stated over and over that "Transcendence called their 30 minute time to reserve the right to engage Maestro!" This is not how it works. It is pretty clearly laid out in the rules so I am going to quote the relevant portions below:


It seems pretty clear to be. If your own force arrives at a target that is already occupied by another guild, you are required to give them a 30-minute warning to ENGAGE the creature. They get one shot. If they fail (as in completely wipe/camp) then you are free to engage before the 30 minute timer is up as seen in:



The rules seem pretty cut and dry to me. But maybe that is because I was the one who wrote it up. If it will help to have a meeting with a member from each of the raiding guilds (or any other guild who desires to raid) to go over the rules and make sure people understand their rights. By all means contact myself and we can discuss it on IRC sometime.

3. As far as consistency with punishment goes: Every situation is an individual situation.

Since all the details have been made public in this thread by others (including the suspended player) I don't mind discussing the details of why a decision such as that is made.

-It is a raid target.
-It is a contested raid target.
-It was ninja-looted by a guild who had no right to the target.
-It was an attempt to take matters into their own hands to decide that if they didn't get the loot; no one did.

It was just a really stupid move, with an extreme malice intent. They were suspended (not perma-banned) for these reasons.

Every situation will be handled individually and have a lot of factors involved in the process. But like Rogean said: You DON'T know all the details, so don't act like you do. People make assumptions and then threads like these pop up.

So anyways that is all I really have to say. I am sure the flames will continue and the bitching will live on forever, but peace folks. See you in about 4 days when we re-hash the same bitching with a different guild being "victimized."

PS: Maestro. You guys are fighting over Maestro. Srsly?

game over stop bitching imo

[yaaaflow]

I'm so glad to hear this is the end of the trannies calling the clock on themselves and pretending that is a valid interpretation of the rules.

[Kaleadar]

I personally would like to see a thread reach the number of pages as the following...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...7914&page=1272

im running out of reading material!

[Virtuosos]

i could direct you to another 15 page long thread full of rage over my warhammer guild [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Kaleadar]

not sure where you got 15 pages from 1272... but ya!

[Virtuosos]

well i dont have a 1k thread to link, figure i would stick with what was relavent to this thread =p (15 pages of flame) :$

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/for...d.php?t=315548

btw, if you want more of stupid shit like that, just do a search for posts by Ring or any post by a kid named majorin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Vonyor]

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats right, you were not there Otto, and Divinity was the first to fountain area pulling from around the fountain. once again, as previously stated, there is no constituted pulling area for Maestro of Rankor, and this remains to be vague.

I like how IB has confessed to knowing this and yet hasn't bothered to explain why they KSed it from Divinity.

Originally Posted by yaaaflow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Taluvill that day has been talked about many times. The morning that happened a post was made saying that the rotation was being lifted with the Hate patch. A patch was made that day. All the raid mobs were popped when we logged in.

Is it really that hard to figure out why we decided to kill the raid mobs?

edit: oh, and if its not incredibly obvious, the patch that happened that day WAS the hate patch.

You are ignoring all the facts. Like everyone was told multiple times before that patches are not supposed to respawn the raid mobs. But somehow without knowing they would all be spawned IB managed to amass their entire raid force in the middle of the day and take them all out.

Originally Posted by Otto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey when burple was in our guild he admitted to using it while drunk in ventrilo!

Didn't stop me from reporting it directly to Nilbog.

I've reported every individual I've come in contact with who I suspected of using macroquest or showeq or who might be two boxing.

Tin foil hats are funny

It is too bad you aren't the guild leader and you can't possible kick or at least discipline members you know are cheating. Oh wait, you are.

It goes for half your original guild. You guys take credit for raid kills you were only able to do with a hacked main tank and cleric. Both of which have been banned after you got your titles.

I like how everyone accuses Trans of QQing. I didn't realizing like we were pretending IB spamming the forums about rotation isnt the entire reason the rant and flames section was created to begin with.

A rotation that was enforced because of IB claiming it was legit to train, leapfrog, and KS raid mobs all at once. Which is how they almost all got banned.