WTF is going on.

[Taluvill]

Lol thats exactly what i said trimm

Comments like that and changing around words are you just trying to bring yourself back into the thread. Just quit it.

No one from ib can seem to dispute my claims anyways, so this thread is just about over.

[Segoris]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you also called your own 30 minutes on nagafen after leapfrogging trannies, so, I'll offer to eat a 14 day ban for something you think i was a part of if you'll offer to eat one for breaking the rules too, sound good mytho?

leapfrogging trannies? Bad, bad, band name imo!

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

satsui we had a tracker in there, we went back in when he said ct had popped, nothing really crazy or weird to explain

That time I remember you guys zoning in before the spawn happened. If that wasn't the case then that is awesome and I'm happy to hear that I'm wrong here. I'll rephrase one thing I said in my first post, I truly hope any claim of cheating is proven wrong so people can stop worrying about that and just play the damn game, which is why I don't mind being wrong here if that is the timeline. I remember it differently, is all.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you also called your own 30 minutes on nagafen after leapfrogging trannies, so, I'll offer to eat a 14 day ban for something you think i was a part of if you'll offer to eat one for breaking the rules too, sound good mytho?

In the words of the great Rogean:

"Despite your belief you do not know all the facts. STOP Making judgement calls on half-assed information."

I think im getting good at this quote thing.
You have become better at trolling (1).

[karsten]

you do know you're well known for being the king of making assumptions based on incomplete information, yes?

also, the facts of what happened at nagafen aren't especially contested. your attempt to bend the rules in your favor is, just like it is in this case. in fact, if we're talking about consistency here, that's one thing that I know I can count on

[Taluvill]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you also called your own 30 minutes on nagafen after leapfrogging trannies, so, I'll offer to eat a 14 day ban for something you think i was a part of if you'll offer to eat one for breaking the rules too, sound good mytho?

satsui we had a tracker in there, we went back in when he said ct had popped, nothing really crazy or weird to explain

Yes, but that begs the question: Why did you go in and go straight for the golems in the first place?

We cleared most of the zone for loot for some of our new members and got the golems when we were getting Knights for a new SK we've got, and they were next to gorgons, which we need as well.

If you guys were in there for loot, you would have gone for loot mobs, not golems.
Edit: you were there for loot, just not trash loot. heh

Edit: its really, really easy to leave a tracker at the zone in just to say you have someone there. Zilo sat at the perma zone in for vox last week too.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also, the facts of what happened at nagafen aren't especially contested.

The facts of what happened at nagafen will remain facts for those who were present there. I remember leading that raid. Where you there? or are you just going off secondary-passed down information?

[karsten]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, but that begs the question: Why did you go in and go straight for the golems in the first place?

uhh, when we went in there we saw that you guys had done a north wall breakin and already killed two of them before going for the rest of the zone, and ct wasn't even up at that point so lol @ that quote

we went in there to fuck with you guys, and then when ct popped we went back in to call a 30 min on you and put pressure on you so that your feeble minded raid leader would crack under it and eat the first death touch, causing ct to be pulled onto your inferior raid force, going straight after all of the casters because they don't know how to control their aggro, and you wiped to what allizia once referred to as "the easiest raid boss in classic"

oh also, mythoxxus, did you know that your own guildmates also had petitioned in that basically were telling aeolwind that you guys boned divinity on maestro? but hey you would know, you were there!

[Taluvill]

Right. Gorgons are right there, and we were testing a new idea to go get the golems.

so lol @ that.

This thread is just getting stupid imo. someone should close it.

[Trimm]

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not rationally understanding how GMs are determining a mob belongs to someone and under what basis.

I'll start this off by saying I don't think I've ever actually talked to you, but you seem like a good enough guy, Mythoxxus.

The problem is it seems to be a case-by-case basis. Any time a raid target spawns with loot 3 guilds all want, and something happens that isn't cut and dry, the GM has to hear 3 sides of the story (of which the whole truth may never be proven) and come up with a solution that he sees best fit. We all have to understand that incorrect calls can and will be made, both benefiting and hurting our respective guilds. If it were up to me, I'd vote no GM involvement at all and have the players sort things out on their own. We also have to remember the devs and GMs are doing this for free and on their own time. Things get heated, tempers flare and harsh words are thrown out by all sides, and a GM has to come and try his best to defuse the situation. I know I wouldn't want to be in that position.

I guess what I'm trying to say is we'll never have a 100% bullet-proof system in regards to who claims what and when. When GM intervention is called for, we all need to respect the outcome...Trans, IB, Divinity, Gothic Circle, Fish Bait, Europa, whoever. Before It was a CT spawn, this time it was a pair of monk masks, next time it could be a Cloak of Flames.

[karsten]

were you pulling gorgons so that you could let more apps random on loot, causing the few actual good members of your guild to feel their efforts weren't in synch with their rewards and quit?