FTE and Locking Mobs - Verina Tomb

[Foxplay]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because if you don't follow the rules, you eat a ban: pretty simple. It's easy for Foxplay to advocate for rule-breaking here in the forum, but if he actually did what he's advocating in-game he'd be facing a long "time out" before long.

Whatever issues y'all have with the server rules not meeting your perfect standards, letting everyone just decide what they think is fair and make up the rules as they go along would be a lot worse.

If you don't like the rules try to get them changed (or start your own server) ... but until you do, play by them or suffer the consequences.

Sorry , but most players should be for common sense rules against this type of behavior, rule or no rule, the lack of a clear rule is no excuse to be a complete and total dick to bend and stretch rules to get your way. If your not for common sense rules to prevent people from stalling mobs for long duration then your just another bottom dweller scum rules lawyer. As for the lack of a rule on the subject of stalling non- FTE shout mobs it seems that would be a failure on the GM's as well as the communities part for accepting trash behavior like this. As for everyone deciding what they think is most fair being worse - yea your probably right. So it seems there should be a maximum allowable time to engage and not damage, or have a kill force for non-FTE mobs to prevent abusive stalling.

I'm a pretty nice player and respect the rules and camps better than most players, but the lack of a clear rule and players gaming the rule book to cheat other players should be a rules infraction on its own.

Cheers

[wwoneo]

Originally Posted by Foxplay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No kill force and not within summon range within 1 minute of engage? Id start killing it and Kill steal it as they are stalling - I would even kill steal on stream if someone is obviously stalling with doing no damage to the mob and just waiting for people to show up Fuck em Rules or not, Fuck em they don't deserve to be protected by rules when they are obviously abusing the lack of a rule.

If you are not prepared to kill when you pull it then don't pull it and try to dance around rules to protect your obvious stalling then you deserve to be have the people that are there and ready to kill it away from your kite

In short - In the future if you suspect someone trying to obfuscate, gain advantage, or stall by quoting rules - fuck em they are prolly some scum Rules Lawyer Crybaby anyway - Kill steal em and sort it out later + shaman don't need ENC epic, FTE with no ENC to get peice? Fuck em Kill steal anyway for being a douche

I pretty much agree with everything said here. This seems the most logical.

[wwoneo]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because if you don't follow the rules, you eat a ban: pretty simple. It's easy for Foxplay to advocate for rule-breaking here in the forum, but if he actually did what he's advocating in-game he'd be facing a long "time out" before long.

Whatever issues y'all have with the server rules not meeting your perfect standards, letting everyone just decide what they think is fair and make up the rules as they go along would be a lot worse.

If you don't like the rules try to get them changed (or start your own server) ... but until you do, play by them or suffer the consequences.

I don't think this guy understands the server at all. He still thinks that if you petition in the bug forums with good evidence that everything will always get fixed... I think he lives in a constant dream land or something.. Loramin are you on drugs? Need some help, bud?

[Pokesan]

more rules!!!!!!!!

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whatever issues y'all have with the server rules not meeting your perfect standards, letting everyone just decide what they think is fair and make up the rules as they go along would be a lot worse.

If you don't like the rules try to get them changed (or start your own server) ... but until you do, play by them or suffer the consequences.

Or, we as players could approach one another in the game and ask for the other to show some sort of respect... You know, treat others as you'd like to be treated?

Sometimes, because people are so used to others being dicks here, they act as a dick first. When you contact them via tell, sometimes it leads to compromise and understanding.

***This in turn can be contagious, and as more people learn that others are willing to compromise and not be dicks, eventually the entire server will operate compromisingly!***

Ok, this will never happen. ^

But! Communication SOMETIMES does lead to compromise.

Fact of the matter is there are some people who are and always will be dicks, and from those players there will never be any compromise.

Expecting the admin here to force people to be empathetic is impossible, but we as players can try to treat one another more fairly. Really that's the only solution here.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Foxplay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry , but most players should be for common sense rules against this type of behavior, rule or no rule, the lack of a clear rule is no excuse to be a complete and total dick to bend and stretch rules to get your way.

Originally Posted by Foxplay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would even kill steal on stream if someone is obviously stalling with doing no damage to the mob and just waiting for people to show up Fuck em Rules or not, Fuck em they don't deserve to be protected by rules when they are obviously abusing the lack of a rule.

Players can be against a rule but still not break it. KSing someone because you don't like the rules, or because in your expert opinion the rules are "unclear", is still kill stealing. Try to kill steal, whatever your justification, and you face the wrath of the staff.

That's all I was saying and it's pretty easy to understand. But by all means, keep crowing here in the forums about all the rules you'll break in game [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by wwoneo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think this guy understands the server at all. He still thinks that if you petition in the bug forums with good evidence that everything will always get fixed... I think he lives in a constant dream land or something.. Loramin are you on drugs? Need some help, bud?

I'm definitely on drugs, but that's hardly relevant.

And if I'm in such a dream land, how about you provide an example of a classic game aspect that someone posted solid evidence of, and which the staff said "no, we don't feel like it." I understand that there are probably plenty of bugs filed that the staff hasn't fixed yet, but as a programmer myself I know that's completely normal even in a paid application, so it's hard to find fault when people volunteering their time do the same thing.

If it were me I'd save up a bunch of those bugs (the ones that aren't top priority) while we work on a main "feature" (Chardok 2.0), and then work on them in a "bug fix sprint" afterward (but before Green is released) ... but I'm not on the dev team so I have no idea if that's actually they're plan.

All I do know is that everything they've ever said suggests that they want the most classic EQ possible, and since nothing they've done has ever contradicted that I continue to believe them.

[SamwiseRed]

this wouldnt happen on red, just sayin (LOL)

[aaezil]

"since nothing they've done has ever contradicted that I continue to believe them." !!!' This has to be a joke, right? non classic releases timelines non classic Ui non classic monk behaviour/non classic mob spawn timers/ non classic loot tables/ non classic raid rules... footraces for goodness sakes! This server is nice but there is a laundry list of non classic decisions/features/rules that were made here.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Foxplay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm a pretty nice player and respect the rules and camps better than most players, but the lack of a clear rule and players gaming the rule book to cheat other players should be a rules infraction on its own.

Cheers

I have to be real fucking nasty to you now and tell you why you're wrong so you don't infect others with your bad ideas. There is a clear rule. You don't interfere with other people's engaged mobs. That's called kill stealing. You're publicly advocating kill stealing and that makes you the worst kind of idiot here. Please stick to sticking animal tail butt plugs up your butt and stop advising people to do things that will get them suspended. Thank you.

[Pokesan]

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