5k Bounty for Classic Research (Are You a Wayback Machine Pro?)

[loramin]

I was really into trade-skills in the Velious era on live, and back then it was established "fact" that when you did a combine success or failure had no bearing on your chance of skilling-up. However, this is not true on P99 or on live, where successes have a higher chance of giving a skill-up.

It's possible that people in classic got it wrong, but they tended to research stuff like this, so I think there's also a chance that the game mechanics changed at some point. Unfortunately, because the Wayback machine doesn't archive the tradeskiller's forum posts, I haven't been able to find proof one way or the other.

What does this have to do with you? Well, if you want to spend some time on Google, the Wayback Machine, and similar sites (see Nilbog's guide) all you need to do is find evidence (the kind Nilbog would accept) that explains the contradiction. Post it here and you'll help make the server more classic, or at least dispel an old myth ... and be 5k plat richer in the process.

Just to be clear, you get the 5k whether you find proof that the idea is a myth or that mechanics changed: I just want a conclusive answer.

[Secrets]

There is no evidence that you can logically form that would provide a clear-cut answer to this.

The client contains no knowledge of what determines a tradeskill skillup, only that its skills are improved. Without extensive samples, it's hard to say. Try making a 250 recipe on live at skill 1-50, and see how many times it skills up.

See: msg_skillimprove in 2008 eqgame.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Without extensive samples, it's hard to say. Try making a 250 recipe on live at skill 1-50, and see how many times it skills up.

But people did experiments just like that. In fact, I even found one that was a couple years past the classic era where they had some new characters all try to trivial heady kiolas, but use different paths, and it seemed to show pretty clearly that (at that point in the game) the path where you picked closer trivials (ie. ones more likely to succeed) skilled-up faster. See "The Experiment: Do you skill faster staying closer to trivials?" in this pdf (2004).

Tradeskillers have always put in a great amount of effort to figure these sorts of things out, I just can't seem to find any experiments like that one, but from the classic era. I don't think the problem is that they weren't done, I think it's that their results were posted in places like the tradeskill den site which didn't have its forum archived (there might be other ways to find them, but my web research-fu is weak).

[Sorn]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tradeskillers have always put in a great amount of effort to figure these sorts of things out, but unfortunately I can't seem to find any experiments like that one, but from the classic era. I don't think the problem is that they weren't done, I think it's that their results were posted in places like the tradeskill den site which didn't have its forum archived.

It IS out there, but Yuku (which took over ezboards) keeps blocking the internet wayback machine from displaying the archived pages. I managed to catch it unblocked once and found a treasure trove of info in the EQTC ezboards forums...

[paulgiamatti]

Hate to say it, and I'm sure others are going to chime in with this too, but this would probably violate RMT rules as you're asking for an external service in exchange for in-game currency.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hate to say it, and I'm sure others are going to chime in with this too, but this would probably violate RMT rules as you're asking for an external service in exchange for in-game currency.

I thought about that, but it doesn't seem to fall on the list:

RMT (Real Money Trade) Sales
The involvement of any currency, items, or services external to any Project 1999 Server (Including but not limited to: real money (USD, Euro, Etc), regulated or otherwise (Bitcoins), Food/Delivery, Virtual currency of any other game (Platinum on Live or other EQEmulator Servers, Beta Keys for the latest new game, etc)) for any of that Project 1999 server's virtual items or service (Including by not limited to: Items, Platinum, Powerlevelling, Accounts/Characters) is strictly forbidden.

[paulgiamatti]

It would be encompassed by "services external to any P99 server" - even if the research directly pertains to P99, it's still technically external as it's being done in the real world.

I'd allow it, but I can imagine GMs putting a foot down on this.

[Kaeru]

Neat.

[Qtip]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would be encompassed by "services external to any P99 server" - even if the research directly pertains to P99, it's still technically external as it's being done in the real world.

I'd allow it, but I can imagine GMs putting a foot down on this.

What real money is involved?

[paulgiamatti]

It doesn't have to be currency, as stated in the rules that Loramin just quoted. If I offer you a real world blowjob in exchange for 5k pp, that's RMT.