Server dying?

[paulgiamatti]

CSG certainly isn't the true north of MMORPG Ethics 101 or anything, and it's true that the standard of dedication/skill/neckbeardery in A/A(/R) is substantially higher. It isn't all cheating 100% of the time, though there is enough of that to sour anyone's end-game adventure if they aren't marching with Pepe and the Nazis. It's definitely not on all sides.

Whenever a friend consults me about which guild they should join, I invariably recommend CSG, because I just don't care about their pixels. Of course you're going to get way better loot and learn every underhanded trick in A/A. Of course you're going to have to spend your waking hours listening to barely literate, mouthbreathing idiots struggle to formulate sentences in VoIP chat. I recommend CSG because for the most part they're real-ass people with day jobs and families, and not completely toxic assholes. I recommend CSG, because CSG is full of people who simply don't care about being the best of the best at any cost - people who actually do care if the ends justify the means. There are a few of those in A/A too, granted.

EverQuest is a social game, and the way A/A conduct themselves is completely antithetical to the project of creating an enjoyable online social environment. The way A/A play merely maximizes end-game enjoyment for a fringe group of sociopaths, while immiserating anyone else with similar ambitions. I don't exclusively blame A/A leadership for this - this is a mob mentality that can't be easily swayed by incentive or example. Detoxx and Breaken could condemn in the harshest possible terms all forms of cheating and hacking and poor sportsmanship today, but tomorrow some loot-crazed moron is going to do something illegal when push comes to shove and real elf pixels are on the line. And there are a few of those in CSG too, granted.

On the whole, CSG is worse at P99 EverQuest than A/A, cheating and hackery and batphone infiltration aside. I don't think anyone has any illusions about this. You can't coordinate three guilds of casuals, many of whom don't know the first thing about the encounter that was just batphoned, to compete in an FTE race with powerhouse guilds who've killed every single dragon in ToV so many times that it's become boring. Of course dragons in ToV are being left up all day. The dragon that's been left up all day is no more available to CSG than the dragon they were waiting for at the starting line. A/A knows they don't have to batphone that dragon, because they'll know the instant someone else is going for it, and they know that even if their batphone goes off second, they're still going to get the kill.

The point I'm making here is one against false balance. Antifa is not equal to the neo-Nazis. The Gender Unicorn is not equal to Pepe the Frog. Intentions matter here, and at the end of the day I'm still going to side with the cockless, downtrodden Unsullied instead of the Lannisters, and I'm going to recommend that someone joins Kittens Who Say Meow before A/A for sanity purposes. No, you're not going to be able to compete in the big leagues, but you might actually enjoy your interaction with other people on a genuine level that isn't infected by greed and cynicism.

[Mead]

10 people didn't log in this morning

shits going down the tubes boys

[Tenderizer]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

CSG certainly isn't the true north of MMORPG Ethics 101 or anything, and it's true that the standard of dedication/skill/neckbeardery in A/A(/R) is substantially higher. It isn't all cheating 100% of the time, though there is enough of that to sour anyone's end-game adventure if they aren't marching with Pepe and the Nazis. It's definitely not on all sides.

Whenever a friend consults me about which guild they should join, I invariably recommend CSG, because I just don't care about their pixels. Of course you're going to get way better loot and learn every underhanded trick in A/A. Of course you're going to have to spend your waking hours listening to barely literate, mouthbreathing idiots struggle to formulate sentences in VoIP chat. I recommend CSG because for the most part they're real-ass people with day jobs and families, and not completely toxic assholes. I recommend CSG, because CSG is full of people who simply don't care about being the best of the best at any cost - people who actually do care if the ends justify the means. There are a few of those in A/A too, granted.

EverQuest is a social game, and the way A/A conduct themselves is completely antithetical to the project of creating an enjoyable online social environment. The way A/A play merely maximizes end-game enjoyment for a fringe group of sociopaths, while immiserating anyone else with similar ambitions. I don't exclusively blame A/A leadership for this - this is a mob mentality that can't be easily swayed by incentive or example. Detoxx and Breaken could condemn in the harshest possible terms all forms of cheating and hacking and poor sportsmanship today, but tomorrow some loot-crazed moron is going to do something illegal when push comes to shove and real elf pixels are on the line. And there are a few of those in CSG too, granted.

On the whole, CSG is worse at P99 EverQuest than A/A, cheating and hackery and batphone infiltration aside. I don't think anyone has any illusions about this. You can't coordinate three guilds of casuals, many of whom don't know the first thing about the encounter that was just batphoned, to compete in an FTE race with powerhouse guilds who've killed every single dragon in ToV so many times that it's become boring. Of course dragons in ToV are being left up all day. The dragon that's been left up all day is no more available to CSG than the dragon they were waiting for at the starting line. A/A knows they don't have to batphone that dragon, because they'll know the instant someone else is going for it, and they know that even if their batphone goes off second, they're still going to get the kill.

The point I'm making here is one against false balance. Antifa is not equal to the neo-Nazis. The Gender Unicorn is not equal to Pepe the Frog. Intentions matter here, and at the end of the day I'm still going to side with the cockless, downtrodden Unsullied instead of the Lannisters, and I'm going to recommend that someone joins Kittens Who Say Meow before A/A for sanity purposes. No, you're not going to be able to compete in the big leagues, but you might actually enjoy your interaction with other people on a genuine level that isn't infected by greed and cynicism.

Forgot some other vital points but spot on. Better than 16+hours logged in only to have zone crashed and mob stolen, good ol days. Endgame has evolved on the server and will continue, question is how is it going to evolve with no more content.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by DryBones [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Release Luclin on here with a few minor tweaks and you'll see pop above 2k at least.

Forget Luclin, you'd probably see this with Chardok 2.0, especially during the holiday season.

[Baler]

Server isn't dying people need to stop bumping this terrible thread.

[Rick Sanchez]

Every emulator has it's time.

[Ravager]

After Thanksgiving people will complain about how crowded the server is and that they can't camp jboots.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by JayDee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They said the same thing about Velious

Nah, everyone was saying we'd hit 3k with Velious, which in all fairness it probably would've if it wasn't delayed until late summer, and even then it hovered around 2k for the initial few weeks.

[FatMice]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Server isn't dying people need to stop bumping this terrible thread.

[Pan]

This thread is remarkably devoid of hard data...on either side of the original question.