What tank?

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Jauna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh right, the editing part. Yeah any warrior can bash, but slam is just so much easier and allows access to dual wielding without having to switch all the time. And considering Kick has a lower skillcap at all times, there is no reason to kick, and because large races can Slam, no reason to bash.

The argument here, is that Slam is superior. Not that Bash and shields are not a thing. This is the point you keep missing.

Superior to what? If you were making the argument that you cannot Bash while using a 2H, you might have a point, but now you're specifically mentioning that you're talking about using it while Dual Wielding, which makes it even easier for a race without Slam. Swap a shield in, use Bash, swap the shield out. Slam is just a crutch, not a necessity.

Originally Posted by Jauna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

valid arguments

Yeah, you mean like how Slam is so powerful and how starting stats matter so much? Lol. Bad.

[Jauna]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Superior to what?

Kick and Bash. Kick because lower skill cap, and bash because constantly switching every 6 or so seconds.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Slam is a crutch

So? Anything can be seen as a crutch as long as you dont like it, like proc weapons and bags of nets.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and how starting stats matter so much?

Not seeing anywhere in the OP that he had end game aspirations and will have BiS gear within a month or less or around that. Starting stats do matter for 1-60 and for months afterwards until you get all BiS gear.

But no BiS gear will ever replace frontal stun immunity

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Jauna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kick and Bash. Kick because lower skill cap, and bash because constantly switching every 6 or so seconds.

You don't do the shield swap every six seconds, just when you see a cast message. Next you'll be telling us that you never realized that NPCs had cast messages.

Originally Posted by Jauna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But no BiS gear will ever replace frontal stun immunity

Oh, this explains everything. It's hard to have a civil conversation on race with someone who puts so much value into FSI; Ogres aren't known for their intellect. Obviously, if you're not smart enough to realize you can swap in a shield and hit Bash, then you're not smart enough to realize FSI just doesn't matter under most normal circumstances.

[skarlorn]

Personally, I found it refreshing as an auto-attack class to be able to switch to a shield and bash enemy casters. It gave dear Filbus something to do from levels 1 - 55 other than autoattack and weep as the twinks ripped aggro from me.

It's really not hard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Big dunks from Samoht in this thread, jauna confirmed as rustled, and anyone who has gotten a warrior to 60 knows that most ogre warriors have bad pilots and are the worst warriors on the server, halfling warriors are great for sneak/hide but the exp bonus isn't a big deal, and that at end game all you need is the ability to press defensive, click a mallet 5 times, and then stand with your back to a wall as clerics chaincast CH on you (and you are just a vessel for HP/AC increasing pixels)

[Jauna]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, this explains everything.

This does not explain anything, its just a diving board for your mental gymnastics.

But I do understand now that this was never about the OP, this was never about personal attacks against me just because it is me.

It was the word Ogre that triggered you.

[Jauna]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

most ogre warriors have bad pilots

You.. are basing this all on user error?

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Jauna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You.. are basing this all on user error?

He's basing it on players like you. You obviously can't see the forest for all the trees. There are many tools and utilities in this game that overcome lack of Slam, lower starting stats, or no FSI. You just have to know how to play. Sticking to Ogre is a clear sign that you don't or you refuse to learn.

[Jauna]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Play like i play or you suck

Oh.

[Samoht]

All I asked was for you to be willing to learn what you didn't know. You refused. So yeah, you do suck.

[Jauna]

I played non-ogre warriors, I just found Ogre to be the most enjoyable.

Oh, and I never asked you to teach me.