What are Rangers like now? Wanted in grps?

[Tupakk]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eh, dps holds agro. People get over reliant on procs which aren't a sure thing by any stretch and neglect white text, which overall lowers your baseline agro potential. 9/18 and 10/25 are just straight up bad damage and having a chance of them being good once or twice a minute isn't a good argument to use them.

They are meant for in a pinch or if I'm the only melee. Generally swap out for my dex/ac gear and hope a shm is around or in grp.

I'm sure you know about the rotate n backstab which helps a lot as well.
Rog tanking is like bard intstrument swapping. If one item doesn't proc swap it for another and another and another til you get it going.

Currently have 8 swaps not including Eon and Epic.

[Cecily]

I mean, besides swapping in dex/ac gear, maybe, that sounds completely wrong to me. I keep my backstab up as a sure thing taunt when I lose agro. And you're not improving your proc rate by swapping weapons till they proc. You are, however, resetting your weapon delay timers and losing DPS.
NOT LIKE THOSE PROCCING WEAPONS HAD ANY DPS TO BEGIN WITH!

Best trick I can give you is have someone else pull and nail the creeps with a backstab 100% HP. That's a huge agro spike.
Other than that, carry some root nets.

[Tupakk]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, besides swapping in dex/ac gear maybe, that sounds completely wrong to me. I keep my backstab up as a sure thing taunt when I lose agro. And you're not improving your proc rate by swapping weapons till they proc. You are, however, resetting your weapon delay timers and losing DPS.

.... I was joking besides swapping in gear that I do do [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.][You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Aadill]

I sometimes parse in between the rogues, but usually right below them and above monks.

In regular groups though, I think it's really dependent on what's available and how good/bad the player is. I'm not a min/maxer and would rather have a blast with people than waste 30 extra minutes looking for a tank that really won't end up doing any better because the cleric will waste their time healing themselves half the fight.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Fasttimes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just summoned cause I'm lazy. Do have primal to help with attack but rarely have a bard for more attack

I have a theory that arrow damage is broken on P99 and there's very little if any difference between 3-damage summoned arrows and 8-damage silver-tipped arrows. Would be interested to see some parses.

[Swish]

Even if it is, is evidence required from 2001 to prove what the true totals are?

[paulgiamatti]

Probably. It could be that the difference is supposed to be negligible.

[BarkingSpider]

Thanks everyone who replied so far. So basically what I am getting is it mostly depends on the player and what they want to achieve. If you want to be the best tank or top dps, it isn't going to happen. But if you wanna have a fun time leveling and be able to handle different roles in a group depending on what the group is lacking (tank/dps/CC etc.) then Ranger isn't so bad. So long as that group accepts you as a Ranger. However, you're never really sought after, more like "Yah, I guess we can grab that Ranger whos been shouting in OOC for the last 10mins" lol. Either way, sounds like it could be a fun class. I don't know if I'll ever get 60 and get into raiding content, I just want to enjoy the ride to 50+ while meeting people along the way, and the ability to solo if no groups are available.

Someone in the first page someone else mentioned Cleric / Enchanter being the top 2 classes that are always needed for groups. I was under the assumption though that Enchanter / Cleric / Warrior were all super over played / populated. Is that no the case?

Also a side question, other than a charmed pet and clarity, what does an Enchanter bring to a group that makes them so valuable? Is it just Mez? Also, how possible is it to play all the way to 60 as an Enchanter without ever bothering with charming mobs? I mean, suppose I went Enchanter, would groups specifically invite me for the charm pet DPS, or are there other things Enchanters offer that outweigh the charming?

[Swish]

The best thing you can do if you're a less desireable class (listen up wizards) is be the one who puts groups together, become known for it, form a regular crew with a regularish tank/healer/puller and fill the gaps as required.

On my SK during hybrid group penalty days I'd often be the one forming groups, once I found a healer the rest filled itself... was more than happy to pull if we couldn't get a puller.

[Bummey]

rangers are good