Sky - Overseer of Air

[Maner]

Originally Posted by myguydie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Based on the rules that are in place, these guilds aren't breaking them. For as long as I have played here, noble has been FTE. You can propose a player made agreement if you'd like, I could see why either way makes sense. Until then, dont complain on here, but find a strategy that your guild can try out to camp a 3 day 0 variance timer. Go up every 72 hours and you will eventually get nobles.

After reading the post on how OOA works, killing OOA's is foolish. You help yourselves but hurt every single other guild in the rotation. Not only larger guilds, but ever casual guild on the server. Every guild that is in agreement to have their own slot and not create a total sock of sky. The very chance of a noble at and of your own or every other guild's raid has decreased. If you want a shot at Noble during your raid slot, leave Nobles up. Leave them up and give everyone a chance at it.

Unless everyone will agree on your night your noble, this is how Sky works.

Except clearing island one on someone else's day is obviously against the rules of the rotation.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by myguydie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Based on the rules that are in place, these guilds aren't breaking them.

Clearing islands on someone else's night is definitely against the rotation.

Originally Posted by myguydie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

killing OOA's is foolish.

Not when you have zero chance at nobles and the people who can kill nobles don't respect your night.

[myguydie]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not when you have zero chance at nobles and the people who can kill nobles don't respect your night.

Yes, except once you've killed the 4 OOA's, one will pop every 7 days, exactly every 7 days from the last assuming that the noble is killed on time. Then you are in the same boat that you are in now, except you have also screwed everyone else on the server and one guild is getting 100% of the loot. Take your chances for the 1/14th of the time that you have allotted.

[nyclin]

rules don't apply to casual guilds, sirken has held A/A responsible for supposedly breaking player-made agreements but has stated he won't hold "casual" guilds responsible for blatant violations of the published raid rules

no bashing, just truth

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by myguydie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you have also screwed everyone else on the server

If you want to talk about one guild screwing everybody else, talk about Rustle. They need to quit clearing islands when it's not they're night.

[Andos]

Originally Posted by nyclin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

rules don't apply to casual guilds, sirken has held A/A responsible for supposedly breaking player-made agreements but has stated he won't hold "casual" guilds responsible for blatant violations of the published raid rules

no bashing, just truth

Oh so if they just go stand on spawn points to get FTE instead of racing they're not gonna get in trouble? Suuuuuurrrrreeeee.....

[myguydie]

All I am saying is that killing OOA's will eventually lead to you still having no OOA's. There aren't enough OOA's for everyone to kill. In doing so you are hurting yourself as well as everyone else. In the end, you still get no loots. It's a mentality of if I can't have it, no one can. Instead, work on tracking the mob and knowing when these guilds might be coming up. Beat them to it.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by myguydie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I am saying is that killing OOA's will eventually lead to you still having no OOA's. There aren't enough OOA's for everyone to kill. In doing so you are hurting yourself as well as everyone else. In the end, you still get no loots. It's a mentality of if I can't have it, no one can. Instead, work on tracking the mob and knowing when these guilds might be coming up. Beat them to it.

I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying completely. Casual guilds don't give a shit about nobles. They're not going to poopsock, and they're not going to click on empty air for the chance of an FTE. It's just not going to happen.

What casual guilds want is for the Velious-class raiding guilds to stop clearing their islands. You know how to keep the Velious-class raiding guilds from clearing their islands? You kill the OoAs to eliminate the nobles. The guilds like AG and Rustle that don't corpse their keys and won't buy their keys own no longer have a reason to kill island 1 if there are no nobles.

[myguydie]

I see your point. Guilds should be paying for keys or keying themselves. If they want a chance at Noble, pay the 500pp for the key if you don't corpse your keys weekly(Sky dwellers should all be doing this).

Any guild in rotation killing weekly, must be overflowing with the loot from island one. Really they are just saving you the 5 minutes it takes to clear the entire island as long as they pay for your/their keys.

Killing OOA's is still the worse of the two. If there isn't anyone interested in having a noble loot, ever, in a guild, I'm sure that there are people in the other casual guilds who are interested. A guild killing OOA's would be preventing other guilds, including casuals, from getting any chance at them. That's where the greed begins to grow. Say you are killing a OOA once a week. Then every guild wants in on that. OOAs will all be gone in one week.

If you leave them up, there are up to 4 spawning every 3 days, plus a 1 week spawn. If all of these are up, you are bound to get a pop once in a while in your spawn window. When raiding with casual guilds, I have seen uncontested nobles. If your guild can't put the effort into tracking, get the ones you can and don't take others chances away.

I think that as long as noble is FTE, it's reasonable to ask for an agreement from all guilds to buy their own keys if moving to 1.5 for a noble that is not on their night.

[Laemeth]

It would be enough to withdraw the FTE of the noble.
If it is up during your evening of raid, do it, otherwise return the following week!
Problem solved, everyone is happy.

My 2 copper.