Sky - Overseer of Air

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This entire thread is about guilds going up to sky for a noble and killing island one, when it is NOT their day. It is not AGs job to reschedule their raid because a noble is due when decency says you don't clear sky if its someones scheduled day. The amount of time and effort they spent is irrelevant, all they had to do was show up and buy keys and NONE of this would have been a problem.

People aren't complaining about not getting nobles they are complaining about other guilds interfering with their scheduled days. If you're up there and a noble spawns then that is great, however there are a couple of these groups who go up when it is not their day and clear island one for keys.

AGs problem wasn't that rustle killed the noble, its that they killed island one and screwed them over. Rustle shouldn't have killed island one, they should have just bought keys and there wouldn't have been a problem.

I'm really confused because your tone seems to be that of disagreement, but your content seems to align almost exactly to what I was saying.

Let me check we are on the same page.

1) guilds should not be inconvenienced by having other forces clear isle 1 within 6 hours of the start of their sky raid.

2) if a force wants to kill a noble on a day other than their own they should either use pre-parked / pre-keyed characters or buy keys.

So apart from trying to see Rustle's side of the coin (apparently they thought they were going to interrupt AG's scheduled raid, which I actually find hard to believe, but it was their defence at the time) those two points above were my key points and on which we seem to agree.

I also agree to your last note that no one should have a problem with other forces killing Noble (ruleswise) unless they also mess up isle 1, etc. Noble is currently FFA.

[Ruppet]

Originally Posted by mcbizzler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Low and behold, as we're debating about who fucked us this time, Noble Djorn spawns. Who is there but 5 minutes later and immediately head over to 1.5? Rustle. I just happened to find it convenient that princess/a few sprites were down prior to Noble spawning, only to have someone swoop in and bag it as soon as he spawns. I would be too nice if I didn't say the thought crossed my mind of "Oh, hey, someone came up early and cleared Princess and got keys since they knew Djorn was spawning, meanwhile fucking anyone else who didn't have previously corpsed 1.5 keys or was willing to spend the 500+ per key to 1.5."

Just want to clarify here what my guildmate is saying. Rustle did not come kill some mobs on Island 1 while we were in Sky. But clearly some unknown persons did come up before us and did some killing. We needed to buy some keys for people that did not have them corpsed before; it is unfortunate, but it also reasonable to expect some group to head up to do Gwan from time to time. We managed and moved on to the next Island. Just here to comment on that! Carry on folks!

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So apart from trying to see Rustle's side of the coin (apparently they thought they were going to interrupt AG's scheduled raid...

This should read "they thought they WEREN'T ...."

oops

[Khaall Drogo]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm really confused because your tone seems to be that of disagreement, but your content seems to align almost exactly to what I was saying.

Let me check we are on the same page.

1) guilds should not be inconvenienced by having other forces clear isle 1 within 6 hours of the start of their sky raid.

2) if a force wants to kill a noble on a day other than their own they should either use pre-parked / pre-keyed characters or buy keys.

So apart from trying to see Rustle's side of the coin (apparently they thought they were going to interrupt AG's scheduled raid, which I actually find hard to believe, but it was their defence at the time) those two points above were my key points and on which we seem to agree.

I also agree to your last note that no one should have a problem with other forces killing Noble (ruleswise) unless they also mess up isle 1, etc. Noble is currently FFA.

I just want to say that The Second Sons and Veloci Shift have been doing PoS on our scheduled raid time Thursday night for going on 3 months. We have worked hard together to make this a successful raid every week for us.

1)Out of the 12 or so times we have done Sky, 10 if not MORE of those times, either <Novae> has cleared PoS with in several hours AFTER 12pm CST, or some guild attempting to either FTE Noble or interrupt the guilds who ARE trying to FTE noble have cleared island 1. We have often had to deal with paying our own way up, trying to figure out what order the island were cleared and when before us. I will take a moment here to say that ever since I started discussing the issue with <Novae> They have been 100% honorable and respectful. They always tell me what they plan on doing in Sky, When they can do it, and they have even left Islands up just for us before. HOWEVER

2)<Rustle> and others have REPEATEDLY KILLED SOME OR ALL OF ISLAND 1 in an attempt to FTE or to screw each other over and get noble. Now the Noble has been popping in our Raid window for weeks. We have even had 30+ ppl ready to to leave w.e island we are at to go get noble when he pops. Though due to guild camping toons out ON NOBLE spawn we have yet to even fight a noble one time.

Originally Posted by dennardscott86 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Call me the Blind Warrior.

I would not be surprised if PoS starts becoming blind one OOA at a time.

[Sancta]

Originally Posted by harmo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

some guilds don't respect rotation rules for isle 1, mobs were dead when Novae move up.

Originally Posted by Laemeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why AG was on PoS on our night ?
Again for the 5 time, the first island was cleaned before our raid.
when i asked, Ag told me it was Anonymous and they told us they didnt kill the princesse that night.... the first island repoped 5h after we started to port on sky...

Laemeth, raid leader of Novae

So is this why Novae does Sky super late on Thursday that prevents <The Second Sons> from doing it? Nova has the early morning slot and does sky super late all the time, forcing the Thursday PM slot to start way super late. For information it's <The Seconds Sons> PM Sky and formerly <Aftermath> PM sky night.

Seems like the casual guilds screw over each other worse than any A/A does to anyone.

[Khaall Drogo]

Originally Posted by Sancta [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So is this why Novae does Sky super late on Thursday that prevents <The Second Sons> from doing it? Nova has the early morning slot and does sky super late all the time, forcing the Thursday PM slot to start way super late. For information it's <The Seconds Sons> PM Sky and formerly <Aftermath> PM sky night.

Seems like the casual guilds screw over each other worse than any A/A does to anyone.

We have often stopped at Island 4 for no other reason than we were screwed in one way or another and its 2 am CST by the time island 4 boss is dead. For the first few weeks I did not even speak to the GL of <Novae> but ever since we have been talking like I said they have been respectful and truthful about when and what they are doing in sky. So that at the very least we know what we are getting into. I do not feel like its them starting late that screws us, as they have by request left island 1-5 up JUST FOR US, upon my request. Its the other guilds who clear it after they left it up for us that is infuriating. Novae is in there own time zone raiding Sky when they can get people together just like us.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Sancta [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems like the casual guilds screw over each other worse than any A/A does to anyone.

Rustle is not a casual guild.

[Sancta]

Originally Posted by Khaall Drogo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We have often stopped at Island 4 for no other reason than we were screwed in one way or another and its 2 am CST by the time island 4 boss is dead. For the first few weeks I did not even speak to the GL of <Novae> but ever since we have been talking like I said they have been respectful and truthful about when and what they are doing in sky. So that at the very least we know what we are getting into. I do not feel like its them starting late that screws us, as they have by request left island 1-5 up JUST FOR US, upon my request. Its the other guilds who clear it after they left it up for us that is infuriating. Novae is in there own time zone raiding Sky when they can get people together just like us.

That's what I'm saying, it's not Novae's fault.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rustle is not a casual guild.

I mean we can be honest in saying that anyone not A/A is pretty damn casual. I doubt many would disagree, that's kind of one of their tenants, they are casual but can still take down fairly high-end targets. Rustle would be a hard third place if there was some kind of ranking I'm sure.

[Baler]

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[myguydie]

Based on the rules that are in place, these guilds aren't breaking them. For as long as I have played here, noble has been FTE. You can propose a player made agreement if you'd like, I could see why either way makes sense. Until then, dont complain on here, but find a strategy that your guild can try out to camp a 3 day 0 variance timer. Go up every 72 hours and you will eventually get nobles.

After reading the post on how OOA works, killing OOA's is foolish. You help yourselves but hurt every single other guild in the rotation. Not only larger guilds, but ever casual guild on the server. Every guild that is in agreement to have their own slot and not create a total sock of sky. The very chance of a noble at and of your own or every other guild's raid has decreased. If you want a shot at Noble during your raid slot, leave OOAs up. You talk about class, but then you say "fuck everyone else, I'm killing these damn OOAs." If all casual guilds begin to kill them. There will be one OOA and one noble up per week. Gratz. No one is getting loot. This would be on a 0 time variance. So litterally one slot would be getting every single noble and every single OOA.

Unless everyone will agree on your night your noble, this is how Sky works. Get your socks out. You're going to need them.