Raiding Guild Behavior

[wrighter00]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What specifically is the problem you are trying to solve? Answer what specifically is the solution you are presenting?

I'm very confused by your series of posts. You seem frustrated and your arguments are all over the place. Maybe if we understood better we wouldn't be turning this into a back and forth bashing session.

I'm trying to figure out why everyone on this server has to be abrasive towards each other instead of communicating and operating via diplomacy. Ever since forums of any variety were a thing on the internet, people have been assuming that people we pissed or frustrated about things. I've seen people argue and rage on fishing forums. You'd be hard pressed to find a person who can read another human being with out actual observation and body language etc. It's certainly not feasible to attempt to read someone form emotionless plain text on a screen. For example, I'm not frustrated or sitting here raging mad and breaking stuff in my house because of this game. :P I just don't understand how or why this server needs to be this dysfunctional.

As for my posts, they are an attempt to put into words a number of "disputes" (for lack of better words) that FoH has encountered. When you're new to a server and only met with abrasiveness, you tend to take on the cowboy stance a little. TBH a lot of members just want to raid classic content when they have time. We don't want to have petty schoolyard fights with people who have been playing on a time locked server for WAAAAY longer than the "classic" version of the game takes to complete.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by wrighter00 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm trying to figure out why everyone on this server has to be abrasive towards each other instead of communicating and operating via diplomacy. Ever since forums of any variety were a thing on the internet, people have been assuming that people we pissed or frustrated about things. I've seen people argue and rage on fishing forums. You'd be hard pressed to find a person who can read another human being with out actual observation and body language etc. It's certainly not feasible to attempt to read someone form emotionless plain text on a screen. For example, I'm not frustrated or sitting here raging mad and breaking stuff in my house because of this game. :P I just don't understand how or why this server needs to be this dysfunctional.

As for my posts, they are an attempt to put into words a number of "disputes" (for lack of better words) that FoH has encountered. When you're new to a server and only met with abrasiveness, you tend to take on the cowboy stance a little. TBH a lot of members just want to raid classic content when they have time. We don't want to have petty schoolyard fights with people who have been playing on a time locked server for WAAAAY longer than the "classic" version of the game takes to complete.

Apparently when you do try and be diplomatic and work it out with the people involved, someone still petitions you. What is great is that even the leaders of the guilds involved don't even know, or won't admit, who put in the petition.

Who wants to try and work things out when one side petitions even after getting a concession?

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Apparently when you do try and be diplomatic and work it out with the people involved, someone still petitions you. What is great is that even the leaders of the guilds involved don't even know, or won't admit, who put in the petition.

Who wants to try and work things out when one side petitions even after getting a concession?

isn't it a little hypocritical for you, Maner, to accuse anyone of arguing in bad faith?

[Ravager]

Don't train other raids and there would be nothing to work out.

[wrighter00]

Originally Posted by Comoc1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rainwarden I was kinda following your posts and in semi agreement. Now all I see is tears.

It is true, get on the line, get a legit FTE (because like it or not that's the server rule), bring the mob in, and then kill it and you will be respected.

I mean the statue thing was underhanded but semi respectable. I wana say your guild leader even told everyone "watch out here we come" but that ain't happening it seems. Now tears.

Bruh, I'm far from tears. Communication is your friend. I've remained fairly silent on these forums for over a year. All the while other guilds have argued over asinine things and petitioned the crap out of each other over every detail possible. A/A were suspended last time for literally "crying" wolf. You're right though, I and FoH are prolly the cry babies.

Have Aftermath present a comprehensive list of targets they'd be willing to rotate with us among other guilds. Regardless of what others have said here, we didn't kill all our ToV agreement targets last time because we opted to clear towards some of them... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] OMFG a ToV clear? What's that?

We even put our differences aside with Anonymous and teamed up for some kills. Anyone please feel free to send me a /tell with their preconceived notions. I've only ever been pleasant to people in game. Everyone should try it!

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

isn't it a little hypocritical for you, Maner, to accuse anyone of arguing in bad faith?

No, I literally mean that the incident in question was worked out at the time it happened and both sides supposedly left in good faith. except someone in CSG decided to petition anyway after the fact, apparently without the guild leaders approval. Which to be honest I didn't even know was allowed when petitioning other guilds.

This just brings up an even bigger grey area though. The rules state to work things out with other guilds first. This was worked out to the satisfaction of both parties at the time and then petitioned later.

The crying wolf thing is just as stupid as nothing was ever actually conceded it was 2 guilds working out what happened that ended with another suspension. So now the big question is why bother trying to work it out? Safer to just let people break the rules and petition after since whoever is handing out 10days now either is being lied to or is completely biased in their rulings.

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[Sarl]

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When in Rome, do as the Romans do

[wrighter00]

Originally Posted by Sarl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When in Rome, do as the Romans do

Blah... That has led me to farming on my Druid on P99 while boxing a Beastlord and Paladin on live at the same time.

To comment on the "go race, get FTE, get respect" dogma. It's hard for me to race while I'm riding quads with my son, at work, or visiting MANY MANY other places than Rome. So much win in this world that's it hard to imagine focusing on racing for prehistoric content over working out a rotation with others so I don't have to live solely by "when in Norrath" ideals. Do you people have any idea how many games are on my play through list? While you spend 2 days tracking racing, I could play through Earthbound, Chrono Trigger, a Final Fantasy, or something in that time. Sheesh.