Open Question to Blue's "Competitive" Raiders

[jakerees]

Played on red awhile back. Never dealt with any griefers or corpse campers. Never actually got killed at all by another player. That's heir problem rightness now. Their players can respond to people who say they dont want to play there and get griefed by assholes by saying that doesn't happen anymore, because it doesn't. But if they actually succeeded in getting people to play red and doubled or tripled the population, you would start to see more of that shit.

[Metalopolis]

Originally Posted by Lemonhead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Has red ever been truly competitive at the high end? In the years I've been around, it's always been 1 top guild with a few "pvp" guilds that dont raid really.

Group vs group or Raid vs raid actually sounds really cool, and could be balanced, albeit chaotic. For this to be truely great, you need 2 guilds on equal-ish footing though. Seems like such a waste to not have this happen. When populated, the top guild should have split, in an epic draft and fight, just for damn fun of it.

This is why EQ PvP was actually pretty great during the classic era. On Tallon Zek, for example, you always had two "Tier 1" guilds that were basically neck and neck, with anywhere from 3 to 6 "Tier 2" guilds chomping at the bit.

Velious is the beginning of the end of EQ PvP, in my opinion. NToV gear is so much stronger than anything that it totally upsets the balance. With 100HP and 15sv all on every item slot, there's little a Kunark-geared player can do to compete.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by necro316 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

for me personally, I love the challenge of not knowing. Sitting on that starting line, for anywhere up to 1minute to 16hours, it's thrilling. I'll be there for 4-5 hours straight and I know any second the mob will spawn and the race is on. It's so much fun to just stare at my screen and wait in anticipation. I get to do this with multiple mobs a week, it's a great use of my time. When I do get that <FTE> message on an important mob like Gozzrem or Sevalak, and we pull that mob in to the camp, and i've spent 11 hours tracking it staring at my screen, and it drops some awesome loot for my guild that will really help us progress in the future. It's quite the feeling wouldn't change it for the world.

This is a post lathered with thick juicy satire. 10/10.

[Fifield]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For a bunch of people on blue it is about watching Detoxx lose/rage instead of pixels. Most of the top end would be in the same guild holding hands, bored, with a giant rotation if he has retired with Forsaken.

I mean, I am in his guild and I play for this same reason! Love getting him riled up, though he doesn't as much anymore. he's tamed down.

You play for the people, the poopsock and the rest just are the shit we put up with. If Detoxx wasnt so fun to game with we wouldn't have half the members we do.

I let Detoxx die ( unintentionally ) probably 2-3 times a night when we play DAOC, i always get "your the worst healer around" lol,

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Metalopolis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is why EQ PvP was actually pretty great during the classic era. On Tallon Zek, for example, you always had two "Tier 1" guilds that were basically neck and neck, with anywhere from 3 to 6 "Tier 2" guilds chomping at the bit.

Velious is the beginning of the end of EQ PvP, in my opinion. NToV gear is so much stronger than anything that it totally upsets the balance. With 100HP and 15sv all on every item slot, there's little a Kunark-geared player can do to compete.

Unless you're Ragnaros

[Damn]

Originally Posted by Metalopolis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is why EQ PvP was actually pretty great during the classic era. On Tallon Zek, for example, you always had two "Tier 1" guilds that were basically neck and neck, with anywhere from 3 to 6 "Tier 2" guilds chomping at the bit.

Velious is the beginning of the end of EQ PvP, in my opinion. NToV gear is so much stronger than anything that it totally upsets the balance. With 100HP and 15sv all on every item slot, there's little a Kunark-geared player can do to compete.

This^

The only difference is on r99 there's always going to be one top end guild because of the nature of everquest there's maybe 8-10 people in the top guild that enjoy pvp the rest are in for raids pixels protection etc

Its an oppressive an environment because of the nature of velious gear and the fact that on this server the smaller more pvp oriented guilds are generally outcasted because they're the vocal minority of people that want to play counterstrike with elves which in my opinion is the most fun way to play the game but apparently for alot of people its not and unfortunately they gravitate towards these bigger guilds

Its all a bandwagon and even with a wipe things wont change they're be a top end guild and 1-2 small pvp guilds red servers are a self repeating cycle especially when the same 200 people continue to play them in whatever iteration they may be in

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by Cave Troll [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

people dont play red because they get embarassed if they get "Yellow Texted"

its the dumbest non classic feature that discourages pvp and makes people not play red.

The biggest idiots in the history of red wanted it and they have long since quit, it encourages twinks killing players in rags over and over and it discourages people from fighting back because if you lose you get made fun of in SERVERWIDE OOC

another stupid non classic change.

I cannot agree with that, and probably most of the community disagree with you. Avoiding or getting yellow text adds excitement to pvp. It carried over from vz/tz emu which Sirken and a good chunk of red99ers came from.

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vz/tz emu yellow text lulz I had saved.

People are just getting older and just don't want to deal with the inconvenience of eq pvp brings. Not to mention having to deal the upstanding citizens that play on the server.

[derpcake]

Originally Posted by Bruno [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People are just getting older and just don't want to deal with the inconvenience of eq pvp brings. Not to mention having to deal the upstanding citizens that play on the server.

the inconvenience eq pvp brings is a burden on mature people?

unlike poopsocking shit for half a day?

lol the shit people here come up with, gold

[Ya momma]

I've raided blue. It's really not fun at all. It's a handful of super hardcore people that don't work or work from home. They're either streaming with Google Hangouts for other "watchers" to scream into an wakeup channel or their standing at a starting line to foot race. The footrace competition is only between a handful of these hardcore's, mostly the same ones every mob,and usually officers, leaders, and obviously the top DKP guys.

Once a dragon is up the batphones and wakeup channel get hit. You literally have minutes to show up before the raid target is dead. This means already at your computer usually and if you aren't already in position or have multiple max level toons to split positions, it ain't happening. It's a real bitch to be honest.

If you're able to participate in the "tracking" activities and kill some mobs your getting good DKP (tracking is worth X multiplier of points). Then you have to bid against the hardcore's with tons of alts. Mobs have wild variance on top of all that, so statistically it's almost impossible to get something considered good - best in slot.

...Then there is the price inflation and over camping of tradeables and non raid camps. Good luck.

I've been trying red. It's got a very hostile ooc with people that have been maxed out fighting each other for ever and have tons of resentment for one another. There's absolutely NO low level population. I'm not sure if they even get new people up, or if it's just cycles of alt twinks. I've been having to solo in empty zones my entire stay so far. There isn't even a market for gear.

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by derpcake [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the inconvenience eq pvp brings is a burden on mature people?

unlike poopsocking shit for half a day?

lol the shit people here come up with, gold

You must be one of those upstanding citizens I was speaking about. Poor, uneducated, drug addict, with no critical thinking skills. I don't play here anymore either. I'm a Phinny casual. Currently enjoying instanced, drama free PoP. Anything else you want to embarrass yourself with?