Necromancer: Race choice?

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Erica [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If torpor wasn't in the game, there might be an argument for Troll/Iksar shamans. But once you hit 60, hp regen doesn't matter all that much.

Not every Shaman makes level 60, and not all those who reach 60 acquire Torpor. As such, racial regeneration is very much a concern for many Shaman players. For Necromancers, if you don't much care about your race, pick Iksar. I feel Iksar/Necromancer is the most advantaged race/class choice in the game. The only reason to choose a non-Iksar Necromancer is if someone specifically wants to pick an alternate race. The other races can and do work, but Iksar is clearly better than any other option for that class by a significant margin.

Ultravision is largely irrelevant because a) Necromancers get spells with which to see in the dark anyway, and b) The Titanium client used by Project1999 has brighter than classic nights. True darkness occurs only inside a relative handful of indoor dungeons. The Iksar racial experience penalty is a straight 20%, which will to some degree be mitigated by the superior regeneration rates. Class penalties are a thing of the past and have been for some time so some folks seem to be operating under bad assumptions.

Danth

[trav71]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Iksar racial experience penalty is a straight 20%, which will to some degree be mitigated by the superior regeneration rates. Class penalties are a thing of the past and have been for some time so some folks seem to be operating under bad assumptions.

Danth

Well shit.. teaches me to believe everythign I read on the wiki!

[EQBallzz]

Originally Posted by trav71 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well shit.. teaches me to believe everythign I read on the wiki!

Also, if you are duoing like you said..the pet doesn't steal any XP at all. It's only if you are soloing and don't do more than 50% of the dmg that the pet steals any XP.

[Ofaelol]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not every Shaman makes level 60, and not all those who reach 60 acquire Torpor. As such, racial regeneration is very much a concern for many Shaman players.

Danth

For anyone considering rolling Shaman, I regret Ogre for this very reason. I probably won't get 60 and definitely won't get Torpor, so Troll would have been a better choice because of the regen. I'm 21 now and considering re-rolling.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Ofaelol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For anyone considering rolling Shaman, I regret Ogre for this very reason. I probably won't get 60 and definitely won't get Torpor, so Troll would have been a better choice because of the regen. I'm 21 now and considering re-rolling.

Frontal stun immunity has it's uses, but it's not nearly the huge benefit many insist that it is - and that's considering the moments in time where it might make a difference. For every point in time that you're not actively getting beat on, it gives you nothing. Racial regen is there always ... buffing, medding, running from point A to B and still being able to Canni harder, playing the group game - you name it. Torpor goes a long way towards making regen less relevant, but as has been stated - not all shamans even make it to 60 and the process of acquiring the spell itself is a headache. Once any shaman of any race HAS torpor - the game gets trivial to the point that the FSI/Regen/whatever debate is pointless.

One of THE best solo-artist shamans on this server was a barbarian - which has neither racial benefit. It just demonstrates how powerful torpor is and how important skill can be in those extremes of trophy killing where theoretically FSI is supposed to pay off the most.

Pick Ogre if you like it - FSI and the extra stats will be your benefit.

Pick Barbarian if you like it - being less hated and leveling faster will be your benefit.

Pick Iksar if you like it - racial regen is your huge perk and the starting area is nice.

Pick Troll if you like it - racial regen is your huge perk, great balance in starting stats, large size for bash and ability to wear Jaundiced armor (perks over iksar) will be your extra niceties.

Min/max ideal? I'd vote Troll.
-Large size for slam (iksar has not)
-Can wear jaundiced (iksar has not)
-Racial regen is clutch (ogre and barb have not)
-Excellent (imo arguably the best) balance of the important starting stats
-Only thing you miss out on are the looks and FSI - and the racial penalty disadvantages that are trivial compared to ogre and really only meaningful in relation to the worst race choice (barbarian).

TLDR version: regen makes a shaman's life a lot more easy than any other racial trait you could pick. If you're only looking for the benefit, it's therefore not in your best interest to pick Ogre.

[meadtj]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Frontal stun immunity has it's uses, but it's not nearly the huge benefit many insist that it is - and that's considering the moments in time where it might make a difference. For every point in time that you're not actively getting beat on, it gives you nothing. Racial regen is there always ... buffing, medding, running from point A to B and still being able to Canni harder, playing the group game - you name it. Torpor goes a long way towards making regen less relevant, but as has been stated - not all shamans even make it to 60 and the process of acquiring the spell itself is a headache. Once any shaman of any race HAS torpor - the game gets trivial to the point that the FSI/Regen/whatever debate is pointless.

One of THE best solo-artist shamans on this server was a barbarian - which has neither racial benefit. It just demonstrates how powerful torpor is and how important skill can be in those extremes of trophy killing where theoretically FSI is supposed to pay off the most.

Pick Ogre if you like it - FSI and the extra stats will be your benefit.

Pick Barbarian if you like it - being less hated and leveling faster will be your benefit.

Pick Iksar if you like it - racial regen is your huge perk and the starting area is nice.

Pick Troll if you like it - racial regen is your huge perk, great balance in starting stats, large size for bash and ability to wear Jaundiced armor (perks over iksar) will be your extra niceties.

Min/max ideal? I'd vote Troll.
-Large size for slam (iksar has not)
-Can wear jaundiced (iksar has not)
-Racial regen is clutch (ogre and barb have not)
-Excellent (imo arguably the best) balance of the important starting stats
-Only thing you miss out on are the looks and FSI - and the racial penalty disadvantages that are trivial compared to ogre and really only meaningful in relation to the worst race choice (barbarian).

TLDR version: regen makes a shaman's life a lot more easy than any other racial trait you could pick. If you're only looking for the benefit, it's therefore not in your best interest to pick Ogre.

You fail to mention one thing iksars have and thats something around a 20% armor bonus. Unless the server starts doing some custom patches they will always be superior

[PoptartOnRye]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For every point in time that you're not actively getting beat on, [frontal stun immunity] gives you nothing. Racial regen is there always ... buffing, medding, running from point A to B...

I just thought up another point to my argument, the statement above is not completely solid. Troll/Iksar regeneration is not always there, to a degree at least. Any time your character is not sitting, I.E. tanking, casting, running, the regen is penalized by about 30%. 10 standing vs 16 sitting from 55-59. The percentages in my previous post, 90% and 78% for fungi twinked characters, used the sitting numbers. With characters standing, racial regeneration looks even worse. From 55-59 Ogres/Barbs with fungi tunic and staff/spell regrowth have 82% of the regeneration while standing that a Troll/Iksar with the same gear would have. For levels before 50 you're talking about only 1 hp/tick difference for a standing character, which is a drop in the bucket when you've got +30 hp/tick from gear. I just don't see the argument for Troll/Iksar as the min max pick when their racial benefit can mostly be overcome by equipment.