@Sirken "a fair and legitimate chance at that target"

[Fasttimes]

Originally Posted by wrighter00 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not raiding. That sounds like the First person shooter crowd mentality. You're saying the raid itself doesn't matter, and asking me what's the point of playing? I'm actually stumped... Just wow.

I guess we can relate a little bit. Although I never played live during this Era, (hence being here) I've been on this server no more than 2 years, and took a 5 month hiatus. There is very little my Druid needs other than obsessing over minor stat changes and maybe a Flowing thought item from CT. On the same note, what's the point of racing people for raid targets? I don't gain any satisfaction from that whatsoever. /shrug

In the words of Ace Ventura "Of course. How selfish of me. Let's do all the things that you wanna do"
https://youtu.be/-EJ6PeVnzCk

i think the point you miss that raiding isn't what they want it to be, that is to help the underdog, so is the hour leeway. If it was like it was at release. None of us would get near the pixels we get now. I was on both sides of the river.

edit: before you think i love to race. that would be a joke. I think its dumb. But to ignore the fact that this is better then it was is dumb too. Im not here to fix it tho so w/e.

[wrighter00]

Originally Posted by Fasttimes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i think the point you miss that raiding isn't what they want it to be, that is to help the underdog, so is the hour leeway. If it was like it was at release. None of us would get near the pixels we get now. I was on both sides of the river.

edit: before you think i love to race. that would be a joke. I think its dumb. But to ignore the fact that this is better then it was is dumb too. Im not here to fix it tho so w/e.

I'm just trying to develop an understanding of some of these mentalities. They don't seem to fit this style of game play. They make shooter games and fighting games and racing games that satisfy the exact competition style game play they want. They actually make PvP MMORPGs also, but these guys don't play on there either. In fact, if the forum is any example, the Red players would chew most of these blue guys up and spit them out.

Take WoW for another example. Even on PvE, you can take a raid force, go raid Stormwind, attack NPCs, get flagged for PvP and fight other players to defend the city and main NPCs. There are also PvP battlefields where you play out story line fights to defend the area from the opposing faction. That's not what Everquest PvE has ever been. Why wouldn't people go play that? These mindsets have shaped this server to be where it is now. Karana forbid anyone else come with a mindset to shape it.

Truth be told, I just want to do the events. I don't care if anyone thinks I'm amazing or winning. So I can only speak for myself. The entitlement actually comes from other places, and some people want a trophy so bad they have to create their own.

[Fasttimes]

Originally Posted by wrighter00 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm just trying to develop an understanding of some of these mentalities. They don't seem to fit this style of game play. They make shooter games and fighting games and racing games that satisfy the exact competition style game play they want. They actually make PvP MMORPGs also, but these guys don't play on there either. In fact, if the forum is any example, the Red players would chew most of these blue guys up and spit them out.

Take WoW for another example. Even on PvE, you can take a raid force, go raid Stormwind, attack NPCs, get flagged for PvP and fight other players to defend the city and main NPCs. There are also PvP battlefields where you play out story line fights to defend the area from the opposing faction. That's not what Everquest PvE has ever been. Why wouldn't people go play that? These mindsets have shaped this server to be where it is now. Karana forbid anyone else come with a mindset to shape it.

Truth be told, I just want to do the events. I don't care if anyone thinks I'm amazing or winning. So I can only speak for myself. The entitlement actually comes from other places, and some people want a trophy so bad they have to create their own.

Why bother trying to figure them out. You figuring out what makes them play it is irrelevant to the raid rules. They hashed them currently out to compromise for casual guilds. Camping at doubles and aary and jav/insta engages is even worse for casuals. Would i prefer a rotation? hell yea. Id rather chill and do it at my convenience. But lets not act like its horrid either, if we could get rid of some training during vulaks, alt tab jumping, and add some sim pops i think things would be a bit better. Add in not 500 people per guild running and competition would be better. Really if they just limit it to 2 racers per guild, things may even a bit up.

[Skew]

Steamrolling 16 yr old content with twice the numbers necessary gets old very fast. If we ever completely did away with FFA id hope we could code raid limits as part of the custom content. EQ was always about being a try-hard. Its not changed. Effort in = reward out.

[wrighter00]

Originally Posted by Skew [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Steamrolling 16 yr old content with twice the numbers necessary gets old very fast. If we ever completely did away with FFA id hope we could code raid limits as part of the custom content. EQ was always about being a try-hard. Its not changed. Effort in = reward out.

I don't think it's horrid by any means. I just came here to share my thoughts like everyone else. Some people are a bit extreme for what it's all worth.

[toastyoven]

All I read from OP is "I want the mobs, but I don't have the skill or patience. So just give me it on a platter"

[Tankdan]

Originally Posted by toastyoven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I read from OP is "I want the mobs, but I don't have the skill or patience. So just give me it on a platter"

Skill and patience.. Thats what you call it?

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by toastyoven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I read from OP is "I want the mobs, but I don't have the skill or patience. So just give me it on a platter"

All I read from you is "hurr durr, I'm willing to waste more time than is necessary or healthy for mobs, so that means I have more skill."

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by toastyoven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I read from OP is "I want the mobs, but I don't have the skill or patience. So just give me it on a platter"

You need more than skill and patience to raid on p99. You literally have to sacrifice ridiculous portions of your life (career vs health vs relationships). I'm not saying you'd have to give it all up but there's no way to actually live a meaningful well balanced life and raid the anything on the high end here.

The poopsocking mentality is just way too prevalent in this community unfortunately.

The real way to win at p99?

Disregard pixelquest and enjoy the little things the game has to offer.

[Phantasm]

Kittens will have Vulak loot