@Sirken "a fair and legitimate chance at that target"

[paroxysmal]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're willing to work with you guys. Don't bring the underdog in a holy war mentality with you, though.

CSG and Rustle have been around a long time. Follow their lead.

There were some big time mobs in that offer, and most of others were FFA if you guys were interested in trying to go from a good haul to a great one.

Willing to work with us? AM wanted ffa and they got what they wanted. They would have found a reason eventually to get what they wanted. They went from 12 mobs last agreement to 25 mobs this agreement (proposed), what would it be in the future? 40? all of them? When is it enough?

You may get CSG and Rustle to bend over and take whatever lessening scraps they can get each time. We will just choose to sit it out and let the server see how greedy AM continues to be. You've lost all sympathy on my part in having to deal with AW on a weekly basis. You two deserve each other.

[Legday]

Originally Posted by paroxysmal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Willing to work with us? AM wanted ffa and they got what they wanted. They would have found a reason eventually to get what they wanted. They went from 12 mobs last agreement to 25 mobs this agreement (proposed), what would it be in the future? 40? all of them? When is it enough?

You may get CSG and Rustle to bend over and take whatever lessening scraps they can get each time. We will just choose to sit it out and let the server see how greedy AM continues to be. You've lost all sympathy on my part in having to deal with AW on a weekly basis. You two deserve each other.

You're just jumping to conclusions here. I'm not going to say much else because it appears to be over-provoking you, but if you trust that we aren't all that bad it might work out for you guys in the long run.

[paroxysmal]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're just jumping to conclusions here. I'm not going to say much else because it appears to be over-provoking you, but if you trust that we aren't all that bad it might work out for you guys in the long run.

I think the best idea I've come up with so far is some sort of a Bag Limit. Each guild or alliance has a set # per expac, something like 10 (velious)/2(kunark)/1(classic ct/draco/inny/nag/vox)

Just have to keep the top players honest and create punishments for forming separate guilds for alts to get more than their allotment.

This causes the top tier guilds to be selective in what they go after and leaves enough content for the casuals as well.

[arsenalpow]

9 months ago

me bitching about the raid scene two whole years ago

Just go through the raid discussion forum and you can see literally dozens of failed attempts at diplomacy. This has never changed, it will never change. You are literally wasting your time.

[Gimp]

Originally Posted by paroxysmal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Willing to work with us? AM wanted ffa and they got what they wanted. They would have found a reason eventually to get what they wanted. They went from 12 mobs last agreement to 25 mobs this agreement (proposed), what would it be in the future? 40? all of them? When is it enough?

You may get CSG and Rustle to bend over and take whatever lessening scraps they can get each time. We will just choose to sit it out and let the server see how greedy AM continues to be. You've lost all sympathy on my part in having to deal with AW on a weekly basis. You two deserve each other.

So, how many mobs did you get this cycle compared to how many were offered to you as part of the rotation?

As in real mobs, not Fright and Terror.

[Phantasm]

I dont think they are frustrated at the amount proposed this cycle, but the 'unfairness' of raiding competitively as a whole (lol).

Had either Fires/ Venerate operated as a raiding entity during Kunark their perspective would be different Im sure. Fires/Venerate need to step up and perform before they start strong arming any agreements.

[paroxysmal]

Originally Posted by Phantasm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont think they are frustrated at the amount proposed this cycle, but the 'unfairness' of raiding competitively as a whole (lol).

Had either Fires/ Venerate operated as a raiding entity during Kunark their perspective would be different Im sure. Fires/Venerate need to step up and perform before they start strong arming any agreements.

probably so, I hear it was said that velious would fix the raid scene, but we can see that it has not, and it introduced how many more mobs/7 days?

[arsenalpow]

raid scene fixes have been proposed ad nauseam, there will be zero changes, you are wasting your time and energy

[paroxysmal]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

raid scene fixes have been proposed ad nauseam, there will be zero changes, you are wasting your time and energy

you are probably right, i just hope not.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

raid scene fixes have been proposed ad nauseam, there will be zero changes, you are wasting your time and energy

The only change they need to make is to implement the one thing that all raiding guilds agree is the best way to go: full variance earthquakes. Nobody cries during an earthquake and everyone has fun. Instead of dealing with raid petitions all week long, it's one day a week, though most petitions simply wouldn't happen. It's as close to classic as they can get. What reason could there be to not make this a thing?