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[Fasttimes]

Originally Posted by maerilith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreed. Social issues shouldn't be the government's problem though. We can handle that 1 on 1 works good. But yeah. Tired of identity being more important than economy and sanity and, law. We're on to something good here.

I'm glad your able to separate them. If people did more of that instead of exploding one way or the other shit would get done.

[maerilith]

Originally Posted by Fasttimes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm glad your able to separate them. If people did more of that instead of exploding one way or the other shit would get done.

Yeah. I see your point. I feel a little more confident we can make ...America... Great...errr...

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[Fasttimes]

Originally Posted by maerilith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah. I see your point. I feel a little more confident we can make ...America... Great...errr...

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I blame a lot of it on extreme news on both sides stirring up shit. I live in Alabama and I'm mixed Asian and white. Socially I'm very moderate if not liberal. However when you see daily the abuse of welfare system it makes you cringe. A lot of people down here aren't bigots and extreme right. They are stuggling middle class that is wondering why my tax dollars aren't going to better things like education or roads or hell anything except people that shouldn't be here or abusing the system to do less and live on it instead of using it as a stepping stone to better yourself.

[maerilith]

Originally Posted by Fasttimes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I blame a lot of it on extreme news on both sides stirring up shit. I live in Alabama and I'm mixed Asian and white. Socially I'm very moderate if not liberal. However when you see daily the abuse of welfare system it makes you cringe. A lot of people down here aren't bigots and extreme right. They are stuggling middle class that is wondering why my tax dollars aren't going to better things like education or roads or hell anything except people that shouldn't be here or abusing the system to do less and live on it instead of using it as a stepping stone to better yourself.

I too live here, and would be ultraconservative but I simply blend in invisibly. I get to live because of invisibility cloaking. Because I'm not a political target. I'm overlooked, even though I've done no wrong. I'm part of the super mega mainstream monoculture. It's ok. I don't think I'd stand out if things where different anyway.

People here aren't bad, they also aren't ready to know the truth about me.

It's frustrating. I don't want to fight them.

[Fasttimes]

Social issues are harder to fix and some due to religion never will. Can accept and still disagree but some can't accept that. It's accept accept accept instead of understanding, they are two different things. For instance I believe that 2 same sex can have a "marriage" but a church shouldn't have to do the ceremony and shouldn't feel bad for denying it. You can have your rights without pushing out others rights. Try explaining that without someone exploding on you and calling you intolerant.

Edit for a useful comma I'm not the best with grammar and punctuation.

[maerilith]

Originally Posted by Fasttimes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Social issues are harder to fix and some due to religion never will. Can accept and still disagree but some can't accept that. It's accept accept accept instead of understanding they are two different things. For instance I believe that 2 same sex can have a "marriage" but a church shouldn't have to do the ceremony and shouldn't feel bad for denying it. You can have your rights without pushing out others rights. Try explaining that without someone exploding on you and calling you intolerant.

100%. I also never advocated or wanted to make gay marriage a thing.

I'm ok with individuals and religions and churches doing their own thing, gay or not.

I'm not ok with people who refuse to understand, or even talk hurting and bullying kids.

I'm ok with private businesses doing what they do.

I don't want federal taxes to go to promoting a social issue or discrimination. We can do that ourselves in our own communities. I also don't want states and the feds cracking down on municipalities doing things their way. We had a lot of state vs city vs corporate vs federal shenanigans making both sides escalate all the way to the supreme courts. Dems aren't solely responsible there. Clearly a few republicans took advantage of social issues themselves this time.

I want health care and what's available on the markets to be based on science and respectful of religion.

It's possible to do this without forcing people to choose a side.

A lot of the democratic party has used us though, it's corrupt as fuck. I did also grow up in an age where social issues aside, there was drugs, and crime, and corruption, and mafia, and gangs all manipulating politics.

My family cares about me. The ppl I see every day care, and we are just fine sitting across from each other at the local greasy spoon.

It's better now. I want that to stay better. Even if ppl want to go their own way.

Ideally.. hobby lobby can set its own rules, but if they buy federally subsidized health care, they have to follow federal rules, and should respect the people they hire. They have every right to discriminate, but no right to control peoples business, or abuse their corporate status to fund special interests attacking fair policies governing people who do not work for or belong to them.

Yet these things happen.

[Fasttimes]

People are just to easy to trigger. They don't want to listen and understand. If it's not their way it must be because they are intolorant or racist. People down here would be a lot more tolerant of every time they flipped on a channel they weren't made to feel bad for being white or relegious or whatever. Tolerance goes both ways. If you constantly play victim and I don't mean you personally just in general then people have a harder time adjusting. Take blm for instance. When you thrash local business, stop major highways, loot and pillage then go on tv and make people feel ashamed for being white it tends to not help the situation at all. I'm neither so I'm just outside perspective.

[maerilith]

Originally Posted by Fasttimes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People are just to easy to trigger. They don't want to listen and understand. If it's not their way it must be because they are intolorant or racist. People down here would be a lot more tolerant of every time they flipped on a channel they weren't made to feel bad for being white or relegious or whatever. Tolerance goes both ways. If you constantly play victim and I don't mean you personally just in general then people have a harder time adjusting. Take blm for instance. When you thrash local business, stop major highways, loot and pillage then go on tv and make people feel ashamed for being white it tends to not help the situation at all. I'm neither so I'm just outside perspective.

Yeah, liberal news media makes pity porn out of people. The Federalist outright attacks them. The cycle of victims and abusers continues. The liberal media needs to stop reporting only on the bad shit the Federalist does. They totally ignore this awesome church down here.... Because crime and hate and tragedy sells.

I hear you preaching, I agree, it goes both ways. People really need to check themselves before they wreck themselves.

We literally need a generation of leaders who aren't interested in picking sides, domination, control, winning at all costs. That shit has eroded our Nation into a bunch of " me toos". How does a good system get designed, implemented, and managed for the good of our country and future generations.

I can't exactly fault Republicans here, they are better about it then the dems. However, we've been slowly dividing since our founding I guess... Swinging ever further left and right with more and more force.

To me there's a solution in there in figuring out what is influencing and adding to that momentum, and bringing it up in politics.

[Pokesan]

Actively crippling the economy of a country whose people you're trying to keep from emigrating. Fucking brilliant.

[bigjerry]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actively crippling the economy of a country whose people you're trying to keep from emigrating. Fucking brilliant.

mad.

hellfire-equipped drone swarms mean u don't have to submit your national sovereignty to the market forces at work in some foreign peasant shithole. ie kneecapping them gives u negotiating leverage, art of the deal, zero downside. so whats the deal?

u brown my dude?