Raid Suspending best idea GM's had in a long time

[nyclin]

oh now you're going to conflate A/A's style of raiding with griefing, i see

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not my opinion, it's Reason :c And you see it too now, it's the reason your argument shifting from rotations to sharing now. Just because you are wrong, doesn't mean there aren't other ways to get a different raid environment. Discussion is good, but you don't have to try to strong arm staff with dubious reasoning to get what you want. How is that any different from the rule lawyering by raid guilds or the competitive "take whatever your can" mentality that you are against? It's not, your attempting to force others to do what you want. Fortunately, you just didn't understand what those posts you shared meant. I wouldn't let it bother you though. There are other avenues for discussion and we all look silly sometimes ^^

If by conflate my argument with dubious reasoning you mean Evidence, something which you all seem to believe is trumped by opinion, yes absolutely.

I can link you a ton of other dubious reasoning from 2000+ if you like. I don't think it'll help get past your obvious bias and obfuscation though [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[nyclin]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can link you a ton of other dubious reasoning from 2000+ if you like. I don't think it'll help get past your obvious bias and obfuscation though [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes please, help me understand

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If by conflate my argument with dubious reasoning you mean Evidence, something which you all seem to believe is trumped by opinion, yes absolutely.

I can link you a ton of other dubious reasoning from 2000+ if you like. I don't think it'll help get past your obvious bias and obfuscation though [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It not your lks ; it what you insist they mean :c I have no horse in this race though ^^ I have fun no matter what I do. Never been able to raid much due to rl time constraints. C'est la vie though eh? (^ ^)

[botrainer]

Plus side : Massively long ass windows on raid mobs (I think the repop was intented to help A / A by letting us non A/A players (the other 1200 players on this server) again kill dragons just after having killed them for velious repop timers to close the windows. Me for one, hopes this made windows even larger.

Down side: Just means nearly every A / A member logged in their CSG, FAV, Rustle alt toons and still raided anyways, upside the likely hood of them actually having got the pixels is likely very small but still, a raid ban should punish the player(s) not just the guild tags.

/rant off
/tinfoil-hat off

[nyclin]

Originally Posted by botrainer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Down side: Just means nearly every A / A member logged in their CSG, FAV, Rustle alt toons and still raided anyways, upside the likely hood of them actually having got the pixels is likely very small but still, a raid ban should punish the player(s) not just the guild tags.

they're EVERYWHERE, oh my god

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by nyclin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they're EVERYWHERE, oh my god

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

Breaken, Detoxx & Nemce are all just socket puppets of Chest that he uses to contually rub salt in every casual's lingering wounds from the destruction of the rotation.

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by nyclin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes please, help me understand

Seeing that video again reminds me of my shittiest encounter ever in the game.

Was quite sad going from joint-raids with a guild, to having them block our nToV progress (and their exclusive 2-guild ntov rotation) by training the living fuck out of us, going out of their way to fuck us more, and breaking GM enforced agreements.

Funny video. Shitty memories.

Don't think I've seen a worse slaughter ever since, at any level raid (and deliverate or otherwise)

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There is one other Time enabled guild on the server. What you are asking is impossible as the relationship between the two guilds makes the Hatfields and Mccoy's look like civilized beings. I won't go into details as I have no intention of dragging interguild politics to this board.

Suffice to say going to them and talking to them is not feasible at this time at any rate.

If the first guild isn't Quarm capable, it's pretty easy to enforce a rotation. Just get everyone to Time. Summon a guide. If the first guild wipes, they need to leave the zone so you get your chance.

Of course, they could do the same to you. It makes learning encounters that much more difficult. Most people are motivated to play nice when faced with this enviroment.

Yes it sucks but nothing much we can do until sony properly instances poTime instead of this half-baked thing they've got going now.Actually, I have heard that the GMs support the "multiple guilds cooperating" idea. Guilds that grief others by messing with their Time rotation don't stay guilds for long. Bannings and/or suspensions can go along with this as well. Welcome to the playground, ******s! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Quick, Obfuscate and Reinterpret it to mean something else [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[botrainer]

BONUS: a rotation (no matter how shitty it was, this was due to the sudden happening case that both guilds got hit at the time, something only seen once every 4 years) can be set up and with more talks an even better rotation could have been adjusted in a fair matter.

Sadly if it's not A / A brain trust, it can not happen. I've notice how most or all new raid rules is because Awakened or Aftermath thought of it, and created the rules (so it best benefits them when passed). It should be a joint task, and voted on not just something one guild says "sign on or fuck you" rules proposals. Each raiding group (CSA FAV, A , A, Kiitens who Divinity) should be allowed to propose new rules, change old ones, and have a vote take place. When/if more groups are in favor of proposals, it passes, and becomes law(unlike now when Awakened doesn't get their way, they throw a fit and force a change anyways). It can take time (like a 2 week discussion before a votes happen) but each raiding guild who can show the ability to raid certain targets / zones effectively should have the same amount of say about rule changes that directly affect them. I also believe guilds should work together to weed out people sticking their alts in to multiple guilds and compare certain aspects to ensure 1 player, 1 guild.

The days of 1 guild making rules to better suit their cause should be over (should have ended with TMO) and every guild who is able and willing to kill the targets in question should have say on tracking rules, FTE rules, and allowed tactics, etc for a healthy server going forward.

Such as if a guild is able to kill Kunark open zone dragons but not kill in VP, their vote wouldn't count towards changes in VP, only Kunark open zone dragons. Same goes for ToV Dragons, if a guild is able to kill every dragon besides a few key dragons, they should be allowed to vote for changes for all dragons besides key dragons. Each guild can openly post, and always discuss changes, and punishments for guilds unable, unwilling, or incapable of killing dragons. Doing this is the only way we as a community on this server can actually improve the server as whole.

[nyclin]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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post states gm intervention was to prevent griefing & enforce a player made agreement, but i'm sure you can find another post from that thread that will convince me

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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first post literally suggests using GM assistance to force out one guild so that the other can kill quarm - lol? what does this have to do with rotations, other than the post including the words "rotation" and "guide"?
second post p much the same, guilds who grief other guilds are met with GM intervention

you almost had me convinced, maybe if you show me some more evidence that will bring me over