Shocking leaked image shows spirit of compromise on p99 in A/A's absence!

[Andos]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The difference comes ( as we all know ) is whether there is a handful of people within the guild willing to do all the crazy socking/fteing/tracking etc that the raid scene meta has turned into.

If A/A were to poof suddenly, there would just simply be a new alpha dog on the top of the food chain.

You've opined frequently that everyone has their chance to go race for FTE on mobs but they choose not to devote the time to it. You can't at the same time say if the two groups and their players were to suddenly poof that all of a sudden a new group would come in and be willing to waste their time wall staring constantly.

You already established in your first point that A/A were the only people willing to do the crazy socking/fteing/tracking and in other replies indicate it is the other guilds that are capable of downing targets (but unwilling to neckbeard it up) own fault for not competing in the absurdity of FTE racing. What changes that if they disappear? Do Rustle/CSG/FoH et al all of a sudden decide they want to waste hours at a time staring bored out of their minds at a wall waiting for a tracker to say (insert mob here) go go go? If that were the case you would have seen it happen this weekend...

[Brut]

Originally Posted by Andos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What changes that if they disappear? Do Rustle/CSG/FoH et al all of a sudden decide they want to waste hours at a time staring bored out of their minds at a wall waiting for a tracker to say (insert mob here) go go go? If that were the case you would have seen it happen this weekend...

Eventually, yes.

As the R rotation system already proved in the past, eventually the Rustles CSGs and FoHs would start bickering on how these and those are less deserving than us, these and those are gaming the system, and thus the biggest guilds strongarm their way to loots, forcing the smaller ones out. Supply vs demand is they key here, and root of all issues.

The raidscene is the way it is since the serer is a simulation of classic Everquest. You can't have daffodils and rainbows and rotations in a server where well over 500 actively playing people have a lvl60 char or two, unless you either add more dragon spawns or instanced content.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Brut [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eventually, yes.

As the R rotation system already proved in the past, eventually the Rustles CSGs and FoHs would start bickering on how these and those are less deserving than us, these and those are gaming the system, and thus the biggest guilds strongarm their way to loots, forcing the smaller ones out.

Based on history that is certainly true. What if some of the leveling guilds want to break into the raid scene like last time? How do you tell a new guild they can't have access? Also what's to stop some of the bigger guilds splitting in half to get more pixels per head, or CSG to turn into Omni, Europa and AG again taking 3 slots and helping each other? Other raid alliance guilds the same etc.

There's no solution that would work other than "more earthquakes", but even then.

[Breaken]

Originally Posted by Mythanor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How convienent of you to forget the deal made with the suspende A/ A to not crawl, and kill ASAP, so not to spread out timers, while moaning about dungeon crawling..... good stuff this, watching A/ A members use every excuse in the book to justify their pathetic chase for pixels.

I keep seeing this... What agreement? I never requested anything. Who from Awakened agreed you need to kill these mobs in this manner?

Sure, it would have been great if you did, but you didn't, and as far as I know, we didn't request you to.

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I keep seeing this... What agreement? I never requested anything. Who from Awakened agreed you need to kill these mobs in this manner?

Sure, it would have been great if you did, but you didn't, and as far as I know, we didn't request you to.

I am not sure this was requested either, though I wasn't close to negotiations - its in everyones best interest, but that was not our main driver. It was about what was possible when 10 different guilds were killing ToV mobs in very different timezones, and a crawl just wasn't.

yes, we would love to crawl ToV, that is how we remember classic EQ raiding, and we would all love to do that again, but its impossible to do that when trying to make sure 10 guilds have fun on the same respawn cycle - we prioritized that higher than our own dreams

[Nommis]

Next cycle we should do a server wide crawl to Sevalak since he's always left up uncontested.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by EdTuBrutus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are only so many alts you want to gear. Even for A/A.

If they can completely gear their toons within a given period of time, multiple toons, then they quit. And having a few dozen people in that position quit, freeing up content for hundreds of others is a huge positive for the game, its player base and its long term future.

You'd think so, but history shows otherwise.

Compulsive gamblers don't quit when they've won enough money.

[Pubo]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's my solution. A/A stop raiding for one week every month and let the rest of the server kill some things. It's simple and reasonable. LMK.

+1

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Nommis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Next cycle we should do a server wide crawl to Sevalak since he's always left up uncontested.

Imagine 500 people in ToV. The desyncs!

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imagine 500 people in ToV. The desyncs!

If casuals really wanted to affect change, they could simply log in and hold the zone hostage during windows. There's certainly enough of them. A month of no ToV mobs would put some of these neckbeards into epileptic fits.