Shocking leaked image shows spirit of compromise on p99 in A/A's absence!

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by colicab [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Definitely goes back to my point that the old Class R emulated Class C. Perhaps this time the current Class R could do it right?

Depends on what you let class R guilds get away with. 3 guilds holding 3 individual rotation slots but teaming up on every mob they couldn't handle on their own makes for a very large and somewhat unfair rotation. Without reasonable requirements to hold a rotation slot, the rotation will inevitably collapse, even without BDA on the server.

History has a way of repeating itself on this server.

[Metalopolis]

All comes back to 5 years of Chardok PLing in Kunark. These greedy hogs gotta get their 5th and 6th level 53 alt all dolled up in NToV gear before they're gonna even consider lettin' anyone else get their main geared out.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Metalopolis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All comes back to 5 years of Chardok PLing in Kunark. These greedy hogs gotta get their 5th and 6th level 53 alt all dolled up in NToV gear before they're gonna even consider lettin' anyone else get their main geared out.

Been playing for almost 2 years now, never super hard core, and i have 4 level 60s. All of which i leveled and never used the chardok PL circus. Leveling doesnt take as long as people make it out to be and once you have 1 getting more is super easy. Dont blame 5 years of chardok for everything.

[Ravager]

5 years of Chardok certainly didn't help anything though.

[Utmost]

Fun Sunday! Just wanted to chime in on crawling NToV. I'm sure any of the guilds that were enjoying ToV this weekend would love to crawl through north and fight the baddies, but I think that is really only practical if said force was left alone in there.

There was a lot of work put into sharing these mobs and scheduling which resulted in the need for multiple things/pulls going on at once or soon after each other. That made it necessary to train pull from what I could tell. If any one of these entities showed up to ToV on their "week" or "turn" unhindered by pressure to succeed or threats of concession I'd wager they would absolutely crawl around to the mobs and fight to each named.

Divinity itself used to crawl through ntov to kill flurries and it was really swell. Once we even got a named! But more often we would simply get trained or harassed to move because a lord or lady would pop and lust was close to satiation. I can really imagine how great it would have been to romp through there with a full spawn. I'm sure we would only succeed in killing a handful in a given raid, but it would be glorious to be sure. This of course if we could kill Aary to gain entry.

I think this is really what guilds are after. Give me some time in a zone with my elfpals without a sabre to my neck and you can go with your pals at a later time.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Without reasonable requirements to hold a rotation slot

Yes, reasonable, like demanding that a weak little guild shows it can defeat the toughest opponent on the rotation at any hour of the day just to be put on the list for the weakest target. That's totally reasonable and in no way is designed simply to lock out as many competitors as possible. Really.

I concur with the alternate opinion: There is no satisfying the pixel sickness, and if you eliminate the present top guilds and players from P99, the number 2's will simply step up and become equivalent within a very short time.

Danth

[Metalopolis]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Been playing for almost 2 years now, never super hard core, and i have 4 level 60s. All of which i leveled and never used the chardok PL circus. Leveling doesnt take as long as people make it out to be and once you have 1 getting more is super easy. Dont blame 5 years of chardok for everything.

Hmmm....not sure I've "blamed 5 years of Chardok" for anything else, actually.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, reasonable, like demanding that a weak little guild shows it can defeat the toughest opponent on the rotation at any hour of the day just to be put on the list for the weakest target. That's totally reasonable and in no way is designed simply to lock out as many competitors as possible. Really.

I concur with the alternate opinion: There is no satisfying the pixel sickness, and if you eliminate the present top guilds and players from P99, the number 2's will simply step up and become equivalent within a very short time.

Danth

I wasn't intending to dredge up these arguments again. There's more than enough if you want to look them up and I've said all I cared to say on it. It doesn't invalidate my point that at some point it will collapse under its own weight even without a BDA scapegoat.

Rotations worked on live because there was some kind of GM enforcement on the servers that had them AND because there were multiple servers for those who wanted to raid to choose from.

[Danth]

Actually, I agree. That discussion's pointless, and I agree that such agreements are indeed destined to fail in this environment--namely, without GM enforcement, as you say.

Least there can be *some* agreement on this board!

Danth

[Utmost]

Originally Posted by teija [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds like instanced raiding to me, Something you can find on plenty of other servers.

No, that would be all going at the same time. Like the sinks at Lambeau on Sundays.