Shocking leaked image shows spirit of compromise on p99 in A/A's absence!

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And that none of them really care much about their teams. Yeah its a game, but some people care more or take it more seriously than others. Of course they are going to realize better results. We can discuss the merits of it, whether it is a praiseworthy endeavor or wise investment, but the fact remains, those people care far more about their team than anyone in CSG or any of those other guilds. Most of A/A are the same way though, there just are far fewer (if any) selfless folks outside of A/A. Odd ain't it?

I'd rather discuss the merits of a completely senseless statement like "there just are far fewer (if any) selfless folks outside of A/A". We don't need to discuss the merits of strictly in-group/out-group tribalist, antisocial gameplay, or the nonexistent altruism of people who only help those who share their guildtag. Discussing that with someone who conflates this with selflessness would be boarding their one-way crazy train to the nether regions of nut town.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd rather discuss the merits of a completely senseless statement like "there just are far fewer (if any) selfless folks outside of A/A". We don't need to discuss the merits of strictly in-group/out-group tribalist, antisocial gameplay, or the nonexistent altruism of people who only help those who share their guildtag. Discussing that with someone who conflates this with selflessness would be boarding their one-way crazy train to the nether regions of nut town.

OK,we can do that. Setting aside developers, who outside of A/A are sacrificing significant portions of their real lives for their guilds or anyone else?

[Sorn]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OK,we can do that. Setting aside developers, who outside of A/A are sacrificing significant portions of their real lives for their guilds or anyone else?

Department of Fun volunteers when we have an event happening.

Edit to add: P99 retexturing crew.

Edit edit: The ones running Paradox's open raids, also.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Sorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Department of Fun volunteers when we have an event happening.

Edit to add: P99 retexturing crew.

You don't enjoy those events? You would just as soon stare at a wall for 16 hours?

[Sorn]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't enjoy those events? You would just as soon stare at a wall for 16 hours?

Why do you think I run events? Sheesh. And I think someone said earlier that people do shifts of wall-staring. Wall-staring is wall-staring, whether it's done in a full 16-hour sitting or in 2-3 hour shifts. (I have heard of trackers falling asleep at the wheel and losing FTE, by the way.) In other words, BORING AS SHIT.

Also, you said:

Most of A/A are the same way though, there just are far fewer (if any) selfless folks outside of A/A. Odd ain't it?

and then asked:

Setting aside developers, who outside of A/A are sacrificing significant portions of their real lives for their guilds or anyone else?

I'm just answering your question. There are many people outside of A/A who are incredibly generous.

Speaking of more people outside of A/A who are quite selfless when it comes to helping others and their guilds, how about Azure Guard and their decision to donate their extra VS stones to druids outside of their guild? The random people I've come across who have invested time in helping me do something I can't do myself?

The competition at the 'top end' of raiding means a lot more lawyerquesting and nasty shittalking than is healthy. I see and hear of people getting burned out on the raid scene because of how it works, over and over again. People pop up, get to 60, get into raiding, get burned out, and quit in the span of 8 months to a year. They have fun until it's time to try to raid. Then you get into FRAPS and lawyerquesting. You can't group with them unless they're leveling an alt. Hanging out involves running around doing stupid shit, but only if they don't have to park their main somewhere for a raid. Then...eventually they just disappear. If you hear back from them, it's very often "I got burned out on raiding, man. The raid scene sucks."

P99 top end competitive raiding makes me lose friends. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Sorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do you think I run events? Sheesh. And I think someone said earlier that people do shifts of wall-staring. Wall-staring is wall-staring, whether it's done in a full 16-hour sitting or in 2-3 hour shifts. (I have heard of trackers falling asleep at the wheel and losing FTE, by the way.) In other words, BORING AS SHIT.

Also, you said:



and then asked:



I'm just answering your question. There are many people outside of A/A who are incredibly generous.

Speaking of more people outside of A/A who are quite selfless when it comes to helping others and their guilds, how about Azure Guard and their decision to donate their extra VS stones to druids outside of their guild? The random people I've come across who have invested time in helping me do something I can't do myself?

The competition at the 'top end' of raiding means a lot more lawyerquesting and nasty shittalking than is healthy. I see and hear of people getting burned out on the raid scene because of how it works, over and over again. People pop up, get to 60, get into raiding, get burned out, and quit in the span of 8 months to a year. They have fun until it's time to try to raid. Then you get into FRAPS and lawyerquesting. You can't group with them unless they're leveling an alt. Hanging out involves running around doing stupid shit, but only if they don't have to park their main somewhere for a raid. Then...eventually they just disappear. If you hear back from them, it's very often "I got burned out on raiding, man. The raid scene sucks."

P99 top end competitive raiding makes me lose friends. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't disagree there are lots of generous people outside of A/A, I just think it is incredibly hypocritical to criticise the most hardcore players for doing the exact thing you (and everyone else, not singling you at) praise, but to a far greater extent. Its silly. There are lots of really nasty things said about those players and most are nice people. :c

At the end of the day though,they do it for the same reason you run events, or CSG shares loots, other players help one another with quests: they derive some satisfaction from it. Whether they are happy to see others happy, or happy to be important or loved,or to be a part of something greater, they like you and everyone else do it because they get something out of it and are no different from anyone else in that regard. Selflessness does not exist ^^

As for getting burned out, well that certainly IS a problem of taking things too seriously. That's why sharing thingis like you or Jeppen or Sneaksy is hugely valuable to get others to try new things. I credit Filbus and Tekilya with opening the door to more fun for me (though I have never been hardcore, I am too bad at video games and have too little time) ^^ Red is super useful though too for learning to accept other playstyles, maybe not so much now, but it sure was before ^^

[Nicoladen]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raiding here is like if you showed up to the YMCA for a pick-up game of basketball, but when you got there every court was taken by a handful of people who aren't playing basketball, but instead talking about how competitive you have to be to get court time and they brag about their mad skills of showing up the night before to be the first ones on the court.

So of course when management kicks them out, there's going to be 200 people that have been waiting for a chance to play showing up all at once.

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[titanshub]

Kittens helped kill 4 dragons and wiped pretty hilariously on woushi moments before the earthquake. All in all one of the best days I've ever had in EQ. Based on the response I've gotten from the rest of our people I think most feel the same way.

Whatever the politics and forum questing says there are many of us who were very happy to be able to run around try to kill dragons all over Norath.

Big thanks to Divinity for helping us do this!! We should have some petty good stuff up in our guild recruitment thread soon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Sancta]

I think it's funny that many people on these forums blame A/A for the the state of the raid scene and completely forget that the P99 staff are the ones that made the rules the way they are. A/A didn't create FTE racing, the staff did.

[Skew]

Originally Posted by Sancta [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's funny that many people on these forums blame A/A for the the state of the raid scene and completely forget that the P99 staff are the ones that made the rules the way they are. A/A didn't create FTE racing, the staff did.

A-A did create racing. The FTE mechanic and rules have moprhed over the years but the current iteration of raid rules created by Sirken,whilst awful in concept,were just following on from whst A-A lesdership wanted.
Breakn amd Detoxx both wanted to have unlimited racers in the line running to get an FTE. The fault lies more at Awakeneds feet though for strong arming Detoxx over CoTH racing (Awakened ignored the 2 mages per wing limit) and then creeping the racing in at Kael first. Awakened wanted an arms race as they had the neckbeards to win it.