awakened gives up 2 vulaks

[Fifield]

Originally Posted by BallzDeep [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There really isn't a solution other than no rules and fuck everyone.

I would fully come back and play p99 if there was no more rules and 1 hr bullshit.

TRAINS TRAINS EVERYWHERE! LET THE CHAOS BEGIN!

[BallzDeep]

Originally Posted by Gimp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's 4ish Awakened runners in those fraps that clearly see Hjial 20 steps ahead of everyone. They knew, just as he did, that he left way, way early and probably should have said something, but we all know how frothy people get over pixels. Then again, I guess playing dumb is a legitimate tactic here.

I agree with you but those people could of been thinking he was refreshing SoW (as he was) or anything else. No one knew Vulak spawned until Vulak spawned and by that point most people don't ask questions because they don't want to sound stupid or question how he could of got an illegitimate FTE.

[Teako]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the type of raid rule lawyering nonsense that everyone complains about. Do you seriously consider someone jumping the line in a foot race "tracker fte"? Please step back and take a minute to think about this. Anyone who honestly thinks this is real should ask themselves if they are a part of the problem.

Completely wrong. This is the exact letter of the rule in entirety. I understand the spin machine, and trying to make yourself look less shitty... Unfortunately, tracker FTE rules in every single zone are pretty clear. The rules for every single solitary raid mob on this server say that if you are not at the predesignated place to run for the FTE that you cannot acquire the FTE. It is not up for speculation, because speculation leads to abuse. If you are past the starting line for any reason -- you are considered a tracker until you return to the line. This is not up for your debate, or mine. The line is the line, and if you are past it you cannot FTE mobs. This applies to all guilds equally.


Try stopping and asking yourself this -- "I am being presented with video evidence of my guild violating the raid rules. I know that you can not be past the line in ToV to acquire an FTE. I know that by server rules if you are past the line you are a tracker. I am watching a video of my guild violating all of these rules. Why am I trying to defend a clear, malicious, willing usurpation of the rule set?"

[BallzDeep]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Use an extra monitor for the screen shares. Run out and buy one now! That is what EQ has come down to on this server. Not joking if you want a slight edge.

Sad but true.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Naggy scenario is completely different. We were about to pull Naggy when a guild member who was not on our raid or in mumble logged in his cleric to check ragefire and got FTE. Our leadership made a mistake by killing Naggy, even though that player wasn't even a part of our kill force, and we payed for it.

Now let's consider the last Vulak, Hijal jumped the line and got a Vulak FTE for a foot race. No one on our side knew this happened other than the Detoxx spam concede messages that happen on every Vulak (since we've had like what the last 10 Vulaks?). For you to say a guild should be suspended over that is laughable. If you really want a foot race jumpstart to count as tracker fte with a suspension you're insane. Wake up.

Fraps was delivered well before the pull. Thats the difference in all these events you're trying to claim we did the same thing. You're officers saw a fraps of you cheating, ignored it and killed it anyways.

[Lammy]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Use an extra monitor for the screen shares. Run out and buy one now! That is what EQ has come down to on this server. Not joking if you want a slight edge.

Don't forget the extra Hard Drive to save all those fraps!

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by BallzDeep [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Either way it looks bad on Hijal, the second he decided to compete means he was already doing something he knew was wrong. The question is, if you were doing something wrong would you tell anyone? If you watch the fraps, he disappears out of view before the runners start. I don't know about you guys but I was always alt+tabbed, watching screenshare or doing other shit until I got the go ahead or saw the pop; didn't really pay attention to anything else.

Will probably explain why I was never that great of a racer but never had the patience for that shit.

Love when he turns around at north door to see just how far ahead he is. Like anyone would stop running for even a split second on a legit Vulak race.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by BallzDeep [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That would be a good idea if you didn't have to wait 5 weeks for Vulak. Problem with rotation is that most guilds are capable of eventually killing Vulak with time and a scheduled raid. It'll only be a matter of time before you have 5 guilds lined up for Vulak. There really isn't a solution other than no rules and fuck everyone.

Not all guilds would be able to clear all of ToV to kill Vulak. Vyemm is the stop gap. So kill Vyemm to get on the Rotation seems reasonable. Also can't team up to get on that rotation. Guilds have to stand on their own merit. If you rotate everything there will be spots for all guilds.

[BallzDeep]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fraps was delivered well before the pull. Thats the difference in all these events you're trying to claim we did the same thing. You're officers saw a fraps of you cheating, ignored it and killed it anyways.

Honestly at this point who gives a shit? Why don't you choose to be the better man and tell them you enjoy competition and only want 1 Vulak. That will probably set the precedent for the future and maybe on your next fuckup, there won't be any suspensions and you can just play the game. I wouldn't want a bunch of free mobs anyway for a handful of people's mistakes.

It when you guys get in this "maximum suspension to benefit as much as possible" mindset(both guilds not just AM) it turns into this shit.

[FatMice]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not all guilds would be able to clear all of ToV to kill Vulak. Vyemm is the stop gap. So kill Vyemm to get on the Rotation seems reasonable. Also can't team up to get on that rotation. Guilds have to stand on their own merit. If you rotate everything there will be spots for all guilds.

Kill Sont. Get on the rotation.