Calling all Charm Killing Pro's

[SoekiWiz]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

QFP (quoted for posterity)

Why in the name of dear lord baby Jesus are you still talking?

Let's straighten a few things out for you big guy.

Thread post #1: I asked two questions. The short versions are
1) How many people must be in a group to negate pet exp penalties if this is even a thing?
2) Regarding damage, is there a difference between doing 1 pt or no pts of dmg when calculating how much exp the pet takes?

Your first response, was to Expediency citing that someone in the group needs to do player dealt direct damage for exp.

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You specifically don't have to do any damage, just someone in the group. If you're referring to a cleric/enchanter duo, for example, where no player melee damage is done, damage is being dealt to the mob through spells such as DoTs, nukes, etc.

Your next response was to Dreenk317, reinforcing your argument that players must deal damage to get exp.

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmm, I'm willing to wager a debuff wouldn't be enough - if there isn't at least 1 point of player-dealt damage then it will not only not give exp, but the corpse will poof as well - just as any NPC corpse does when an NPC slays an NPC. A damage shield on the pet wouldn't count as player damage either.

My response to you beginning to dump misinformation and nonsense into my thread where I'm seeking factual answers:

Originally Posted by SoekiWiz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure about the rest but this is definitely inaccurate. I've done tons of kills without dealing any direct damage and they all yield exp.

That wasn't the question. The question was how much.

Please stop guessing :P

Politely debunked your corpse poofing fuckery, redirected the thread to the original questions that I asked in OP, and asked you to please stop guessing. Clearly it was a guess, because had you actually done it, like I have and literally every other person in this thread who contributed had, you'd know there's an exp messages and corpses certainly do not "poof." Blatant asshattery going on here.

Trollhide also corrected you.

Instead of "You know what, that's right, maybe I forgot or it was different on live, you definitely get an exp message and lootable corpse when the pet does all the damage," you choose to backpedal and attempt a jedi mind trick to alter the questions asked:

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are two different conversations here though: solo with a pet versus group with a pet. We all know some amount of player damage, allegedly >50%, is required to gain full exp when solo. The question of whether any damage is required in a group to either a) gain full exp, or b) gain any exp and have a lootable corpse is legitimate.

Tuurin has also politely corrected your original shit-for-brains post about corpse poofery. He even called you mate, isn't that nice?

This is me again, attempting to course correct from you continuing to throw the thread into a tangent.

Originally Posted by SoekiWiz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think I know what the questions were. I asked them.

Quit while you're ahead.

At this point, you are officially butt-hurt.

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reread my original post please - it's been edited - and you could also stop being a complete dick while you're at it.

Out of courtesy, I did reread your original post. It's still idiotic. Now you've started with the name calling, because you feel the tears swelling up.

I poke you back, with some fire, because I don't particularly appreciate being called a dick for trying to keep my own god damn thread on track.

Your reply:

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I've provided correct information. Sorry you're such a piece of shit that you're unwilling to at least read it, though.

Again, attempting to reinforce your original argument. Which is the antithesis of accurate (I know SAT words too bitch, I just don't need to plaster them all over a message board in an attempt to sound smart to cover up for my Freudian slip of stupidity).

A few more folks make some posts. Outside of your tummy sticks partner, nobody agrees with or appreciates the nonsense oozing out of the two of you. In contrast, I know NONE of the people that were posting in opposition to you. I don't have to link arms with my fay gate ass pals to try and salvage my e-reputation, cuz quite honestly I could give a fuck what you or anyone else on here thinks about me <3

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is it impossible to have an actual discussion about anything without it becoming a belligerent, counterproductive dick-swinging contest? You whipped it out first, and for that I hold you in contempt. My points don't need the validation of a couple morons who can't have a sober conversation about something as objective as P99 game mechanics and, more importantly, how P99 game mechanics ought to be.

To quote one of my favorite movies, "Uhhhh, yer chart says yer shit's fucked up... and... you talk like a fag... soooo..." -Dr. Lexus.

The REST of us WERE having a discussion. If you actually read anything besides the shit that set your panties on fire, you'd see that. There wasn't a dick swinging contest, there was a "You're wrong, stop," directive sent your way. I'm wearing a blue tie. You can argue that my tie is red until you're blue in the face (get it?), but it's still not red. This is not mechanics nor objective nor philosophical/religious/whatever other irrelevant word you'd like to slap in there to sound fancy.

The tie is blue. You're a moron.

More back and forth.

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jesus christ dude, you can't be... fine, okay, I give up.

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Maybe he'll go away? Hooray!

Nope, here we go again. Has to chime back in multiple pages later.

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah no sane person who cares about objectivity and accuracy in a million years is going to accept testing results from someone as susceptible to emotional appeal and confirmation bias as this idiot. This thread is obviously just an exercise in masturbatory narcissism - he doesn't actually care about things like "data" and "facts", he just wanted to play dress-up as an intellectually superior polymath who brow-beats and condescends to everyone who doesn't immediately agree with and cater to his obviously more advanced knowledge of all things elf sim related.

Someone so fragile and incapable of culpability would be an absolute nightmare to deal with in the real world - imagine trying to confront this guy about a minor mistake he made somewhere along the line. When you try to engage with someone in friendly conversation and you're immediately met with, and I quote, "Quit while you're ahead," there's really nothing else to discuss. At that point everything else that comes out of him is at best highly suspect if not a complete fabrication of his own reality.

I'm not even going to pick this one apart, because I'm exhausted from this much so far. The entire point of the thread was to get the right answer. When the right answer was not able to be provided (we have a probable answer, technically still unconfirmed) I volunteered to take the suggestion of another contributor and go figure it out. Which will be done, regardless of your nonsense.

You have gotten better at TryHard (200). Seriously. Masking your moronic commentary with moar SAT words you're probably googling? More syllables doesn't make you sound more intelligent.

We'll wrap it up with this:

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep, totally sounds like I was stating an undeniable, inarguable fact here and not just furthering the conversation. What a complete presumptuous asshole I was!

In all seriousness though, you're more than welcome to join the PaulG fanclub, if this is your sodium-infused entrée. I've been considering a slogan - I've got a few in mind, so it's not final, but I was thinking "Swag on PaulG's dick" has a certain ring to it. I'm open to suggestions.

You're giving yourself far, FAR too much credit.

I'll put it to you like this.

If you were to hit the lottery

Or die in a horrific car accident

Right now

Nobody would care. With exception of your pillow pal, and that's a maybe.

You are not important. You are not a unique snowflake. Nobody cares. Since I can't tell you to quit while you're ahead again based on the ginormous sized hole you've dug yourself, just stahp.

We have tons of actual input and contributions, so thank you to everyone else. We seem to have arrived at just needing to test it for those of us who want to know, which I've already volunteered to do. It should be done tonight assuming I can get around to logging in.

[SoekiWiz]

Originally Posted by Dothgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what happens if u get a mob down to 10% with pet, break charm, re-charm same mob, then kill it with pet. is it 50% of the 10% that u need to deal for full xp?

We haven't gotten a clear answer on this one either. Someone mentioned earlier proposing that what you're asking would be accurate. 50% of remaining HP vs total HP.

I'm skeptical on that, so I plan to check it as well. Someone get me a lab coat, I want to feel smert.

[Crawdad]

Originally Posted by SoekiWiz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We haven't gotten a clear answer on this one either. Someone mentioned earlier proposing that what you're asking would be accurate. 50% of remaining HP vs total HP.

I'm skeptical on that, so I plan to check it as well. Someone get me a lab coat, I want to feel smert.

This is accurate and my experience with early charm breaks in WL and in Kaladim. But, I was wrong about the "1 point of damage" in a group, so take it with a grain of skepticism [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, people are kinda being a dick, and OP was kinda being dickish at some replies... But a lot of people are trying to speak with authority and are just flat out wrong, so what do you expect? Answer people's questions not for them but for the many more who will never post and ask, but will google this two months down the line.

[SoekiWiz]

Originally Posted by Crawdad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is accurate and my experience with early charm breaks in WL and in Kaladim. But, I was wrong about the "1 point of damage" in a group, so take it with a grain of skepticism [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe it but all the back and forth has gotten me to a place of "just go check everything and document the shitballs out of it or you're gonna have a bad time, mkay?"

I don't wanna have a bad time!

[Crawdad]

Originally Posted by SoekiWiz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe it but all the back and forth has gotten me to a place of "just go check everything and document the shitballs out of it or you're gonna have a bad time, mkay?"

I don't wanna have a bad time!

Yep, at this point I don't think anyone (asides from Tecmos) can speak with actual authority/reliability.

[SoekiWiz]

Originally Posted by Crawdad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep, at this point I don't think anyone (asides from Tecmos) can speak with actual authority/reliability.

Even the Tecanator. HOW TO guides, hands down, authority.

Experience in variable scenarios, more than likely right, but not 100%.

My guess is he's obviously right, along with the majority of the others who said the same thing. Still gonna check so I can either high five them all or be like OMG GUISE LOOK

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah no sane person who cares about objectivity and accuracy in a million years is going to accept testing results from someone as susceptible to emotional appeal and confirmation bias as this idiot. This thread is obviously just an exercise in masturbatory narcissism - he doesn't actually care about things like "data" and "facts", he just wanted to play dress-up as an intellectually superior polymath who brow-beats and condescends to everyone who doesn't immediately agree with and cater to his obviously more advanced knowledge of all things elf sim related.

Someone so fragile and incapable of culpability would be an absolute nightmare to deal with in the real world - imagine trying to confront this guy about a minor mistake he made somewhere along the line. When you try to engage with someone in friendly conversation and you're immediately met with, and I quote, "Quit while you're ahead," there's really nothing else to discuss. At that point everything else that comes out of him is at best highly suspect if not a complete fabrication of his own reality.

Still the truest thing anyone will read in this thread.

[Whirled]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Yeah no sane person who cares about objectivity and accuracy in a million years is going to accept testing results from someone as susceptible to emotional appeal and confirmation bias as this idiot. This thread is obviously just an exercise in masturbatory narcissism - he doesn't actually care about things like "data" and "facts", he just wanted to play dress-up as an intellectually superior polymath who brow-beats and condescends to everyone who doesn't immediately agree with and cater to his obviously more advanced knowledge of all things elf sim related.

Someone so fragile and incapable of culpability would be an absolute nightmare to deal with in the real world - imagine trying to confront this guy about a minor mistake he made somewhere along the line. When you try to engage with someone in friendly conversation and you're immediately met with, and I quote, "Quit while you're ahead," there's really nothing else to discuss. At that point everything else that comes out of him is at best highly suspect if not a complete fabrication of his own reality.
Still the truest thing anyone will read in this thread.

This thread reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kthFUFBwbZg
Sane people don't GAF about the numbers. They want to log in and relax and play a game.

[paulgiamatti]

I mean, I could go through his wall of verbal diarrhea and methodically annihilate everything point by point, but good lord, it's just such a waste of life at this point. This is a case of someone who is simply impervious to evidence - it'd be like trying to reason a scientologist out of their religion. The bit where he refers to anything with more than three syllables as an "SAT word" gave me a laugh, though. So I'll just keep pointing out that someone like Soeki surely isn't capable of conducting meaningful research of any kind based on his erratic, anything-but-reasonable way of "arguing", and his completely false inerrancy, but actually engaging with him at this point is just intellectual suicide.

[waltjig]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, I could go through his wall of verbal diarrhea and methodically annihilate everything point by point, but good lord, it's just such a waste of life at this point. This is a case of someone who is simply impervious to evidence - it'd be like trying to reason a scientologist out of their religion. The bit where he refers to anything with more than three syllables as an "SAT word" gave me a laugh, though.

Your original comments have been refuted by literally every other person on this thread. I have to disagree with you again, and let you know that it would not be a "waste of life at this point". I, and probably everyone else that has called out your misinformation, are very curious to see this "evidence" that you are holding so dear. And why the hell didn't you provide the evidence 8 pages ago so we could have all eaten crow pie. Must be another example of my human rationality getting in the way again.

Another side question; Do you believe that up to this point that your contributions to this thread have been worthy of your precious time?