WTS Plane of Hate : Loot Rights List

[botrainer]

I cant began to tell you how many members of Taken, Awakened, Aftermath that have been "mistaken" hit in a ban wave of RMT they do about once a year. Its odd how i can sell Rogue epics, Cleric Epics, and not just 1 or 2 but upto 5 to 7 a year and never once have i ever been hit with the ban stick even by "mistake"

Dont kid yourself on the lack of "proof", some guilds get a pass because they bitch loud enough.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by botrainer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I cant began to tell you how many members of Taken, Awakened, Aftermath that have been "mistaken" hit in a ban wave of RMT they do about once a year. Its odd how i can sell Rogue epics, Cleric Epics, and not just 1 or 2 but upto 5 to 7 a year and never once have i ever been hit with the ban stick even by "mistake"

Dont kid yourself on the lack of "proof", some guilds get a pass because they bitch loud enough.

So now the only proof you need that someone RMTs is the guild they are in? Making ignorant generalizations isn't helping anything

[reevesz]

Maner,

I do not play often due to work but I do have a question. If Hate minis are not raid mobs, can they be claimed as a normal camp? IE, someone doing a camp check then someone replied 1st or 2nd floor minis?

[Maner]

Originally Posted by reevesz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maner,

I do not play often due to work but I do have a question. If Hate minis are not raid mobs, can they be claimed as a normal camp? IE, someone doing a camp check then someone replied 1st or 2nd floor minis?

Due to the spawn locations there is no way you can set up your camp to watch all the spawns. I don't see why you couldn't pick one PH location and pull others to there and claim the one you are at as your camp though. The play nice rules say that you can camp multiple spawns if no one else is there, once others show up you have to pick which spawn you are claiming. Other than a longer respawn there isn't anything different from this and camping any other camp. And an example of another long respawn mob being considered a camp would be lucan. If you are sitting waiting for Lucan to spawn it is considered your camp. At least I remember a gm ruling saying that in the past

[reevesz]

Ah ok, so if we raid Hate and are taking the 2nd floor 3 mini spawn points. Thats legit right? There is a spot there where we can see all 3 locations.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by reevesz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah ok, so if we raid Hate and are taking the 2nd floor 3 mini spawn points. Thats legit right? There is a spot there where we can see all 3 locations.

Why wouldn't it be? If you can see the spawns and are actively killing /waiting for them to respawn then that would be your camp. The issue then becomes, are you going to sit there for 8 hours killing the trash? Or are you going to camp toons up there and just make your way to the camp each time? Hate can be a real pita with agro, I assume the group farming this stuff routinely is camping near maestro as it's the easiest spot to clear out and set up in. There is one ph in there I believe. Setting up your camp at one of the ph spots could just end up being far more work than it is worth with panthers and stuff agroing through the walls and floor.

There are also way more than 3 spawn locations on the 2nd floor...

[reevesz]

Well last time, our raid force 20-30 personnel was on 2nd floor waiting for the minis to spawn and a few of the Aftermath personnel logged back on (they were camped at Maestro hall) and started sitting on their spawn points. Just want to get some facts if it were to ever become an issue.

More than 3? That would be awesome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would love to find out more ways than one in order to prevent all the BS that goes on.

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why wouldn't it be? If you can see the spawns and are actively killing /waiting for them to respawn then that would be your camp. The issue then becomes, are you going to sit there for 8 hours killing the trash? Or are you going to camp toons up there and just make your way to the camp each time? Hate can be a real pita with agro, I assume the group farming this stuff routinely is camping near maestro as it's the easiest spot to clear out and set up in. There is one ph in there I believe. Setting up your camp at one of the ph spots could just end up being far more work than it is worth with panthers and stuff agroing through the walls and floor.

There are also way more than 3 spawn locations on the 2nd floor...

That's the issue as I see it. With few places to set up with a raid force of 20-30 which is common for beginner guilds to bring that many. And when wrangling 20-30 people that don't know plains that well. And you've tracked your window and you know corruptor is going to spawn soon. And then 30 minutes before it pops 3-5 lvl 60's all geared to hell and all knowing the zone and it's pops like the back of there hand are able to move in and set up and pull your mob as it pops because you weren't at spawn so it wasn't camped and tough cookies get gud.

That is frustrating as frustrating gets. Regardless of if it isn't technically against the rules. And I'm not saying this is what happened. But if it were to happen to me, I'd be really upset.

And it seems like these people are saying they would do exactly this kind of behavior.

Fact is that the planes are a beginner raid zone. That's how they were seen in classic on live. And that's how many see them here. ONLY the invention of p99 raid rules and its selection and classification of what is and isn't a raid mob has changed people's views on that, everyone on live on my server called them planes RAIDS for a reason. And the "raid rules" they choose to use allow them to pull dick moves like this.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's the issue as I see it. With few places to set up with a raid force of 20-30 which is common for beginner guilds to bring that many. And when wrangling 20-30 people that don't know plains that well. And you've tracked your window and you know corruptor is going to spawn soon. And then 30 minutes before it pops 3-5 lvl 60's all geared to hell and all knowing the zone and it's pops like the back of there hand are able to move in and set up and pull your mob as it pops because you weren't at spawn so it wasn't camped and tough cookies get gud.

That is frustrating as frustrating gets. Regardless of if it isn't technically against the rules. And I'm not saying this is what happened. But if it were to happen to me, I'd be really upset.

And it seems like these people are saying they would do exactly this kind of behavior.

Fact is that the planes are a beginner raid zone. That's how they were seen in classic on live. And that's how many see them here. ONLY the invention of p99 raid rules and its selection and classification of what is and isn't a raid mob has changed people's views on that, everyone on live on my server called them planes RAIDS for a reason. And the "raid rules" they choose to use allow them to pull dick moves like this.

On live people were soloing the hate minis not long after the revamp. And that group of 30 people can always port up an hour before it's due and set up. There are no rules against logging out in hate, just that it's at your own risk. The new hate minis don't hit hard, dont aoe, and barely do more than what a normal spawn of the same type does. That is not a raid mob it's glorified trash and a rare spawn.

What is wrong with people who know what they are doing using that knowledge for their own benefit? It's wrong for them to want to gear alts because someone who hasn't been on the server as long wants something for themselves? It has always been that way in EQ. There have always been groups that can do with less what your guild needs more for. Shit on the live server I payed on there was one group of 4 people who all botted 2 characters that monopolized zlandicar and dozekar on every spawn with 5-10 toons.

Originally Posted by reevesz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well last time, our raid force 20-30 personnel was on 2nd floor waiting for the minis to spawn and a few of the Aftermath personnel logged back on (they were camped at Maestro hall) and started sitting on their spawn points. Just want to get some facts if it were to ever become an issue.

More than 3? That would be awesome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would love to find out more ways than one in order to prevent all the BS that goes on.

It would seem that they were setting up to pull other spawns since they can only claim the one next to them as their actual camp. People don't log out at the maestro hall, it is in no way safe. There are other places to camp out that are safe when you come back 8+ hours later. If your raid group is up and waiting at a spawn location and they come and try to pull it anyway, that is an easy petition.

[Gozuk]

That's exactly what they have done Maner