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02-19-2010, 07:39 PM
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I wonder, if this guy would have tried to fly his plane into a session of congress, would the media try to portray the guy as some right wing fanatic? Or are they already.
Ever notice as well, you dont hear about any more war protests on the mainstream media outlets? Funny how when Georgie Bush was president, they were front and center, but now? Dont hear much from Cindy Sheehan either. Guess the war is all the sudden more acceptable now that more people have died, billions more spent, and still no clear end in sight. Had to edit to point out, im not a Bush supporter, just found that interesting that Ive not heard of any noise regarding war protests, while still spending the same amount of time browsing news sites. | ||
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02-19-2010, 07:41 PM
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02-19-2010, 08:42 PM
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Arguments with specific examples and proof would have been far more constructive. Just saying; there are lots of good reasons to hate the government. Quote:
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02-26-2010, 03:28 AM
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The Unseen Hand (IN YOUR WALLET)
The Accidental View of History: historical events occur by accident, for no apparent reason. Rulers are powerless to intervene.
The Conspiratorial View of History: historical events occur by design for reasons that are not generally made known to the people. Two thumbs up for starting this thread. I am an un-educated stoner who thrives on video games, every sperm is special. I encourage you to read that letter and of course come to your own conclusion taking in anything you can use and leaving the rest. Growing up with a father probably alot like Joeseph Stack I have learned very quickly at a young age about the corruption of our government, and the rest of the worlds for that matter. Now my father wouldn't have killed himself over the matter he would have went out and picked up a sack, rolled a fat one, and payed the whole world back. Being overwhelmed with the information no 10 year old could understand I did pick up a few good lessons from people like Stack and my father... "Fight the ocean and you will drown." <-- Seriously, you will drown. IF any of you want to make a difference all you have to do is educate yourself and then think of clever ways of educating others about the matter that don't involve you killing yourself. Killing off those who understand the rotting pig stew we're in won't help the fight. Imagine that, everyone who truely understands the corruption and can educate others all fly planes into buildings then guess what, government wins, hello communism. Remember people like Joeseph Stack are convinced your very own government let those planes fly into the towers. THE UNSEEN HAND By A. Ralph Epperson An Introduction to the Conspiratorial View of History Read that book. It's like one of those translated bibles written in plain english even uneducated stoners who thrive on video games can understand. You will get both sides of the story, not just your governments view. This author is not shoving HIS view down your throat. He is giving you BOTH sides of the story. FROM ABRAHAM LINCOLN "When we see a lot of framed timbers, different portions of which we know have been gotten out at different times and places and by different workmen, and when we see these timbers joined together and see that they exactly make the frame of a house or a mill, all the lengths and proportions of the different pieces exactly adapted to their respective pieces, and not a piece too many or too few, not omitting even scaffolding, or if a single piece be lacking, we can see the place in the frame exactly fitted and prepared to yet bring such piece in; in such case, we find it impossible to not believe that they all understood one another from the beginning, and all worked upon a common plan or draft drawn up before the first lick was struck." About the Author The most difficult thing I know to do is to write about myself, but I think that the reader of this book has the right to know something about me, the author, and what motivated me to write it. I am a graduate of the University of Arizona, and like the typical graduate of an institution of higher education, I felt that what I had been taught was the truth. I thought that the only thing I needed to complete my education in the future was additional information to confirm the knowledge to which I had already been exposed. So I faced the future with great anticipation. But a close friend of mine, sensing that my knowledge was both incomplete and one-sided, suggested that I start reading material dealing with what was called "Revisionist History." This was the alternative explanation of history to what I had been taught was the truth. There are over 300 books on both sides of this issue that I've read that are part of the research for this book. That figure, I am certain, is not an impressive number to those who are true "book addicts," but I mention it only to illustrate that the ideas in this book are not mine, but those of the individuals who have taken the time to record their perspective on the events in which they were personally involved or which they researched in depth. But as I read, I noticed that there was no one volume that covered a complete history of the Conspiracy, and it is this void that I hope to fill. It is my intent to catalog as much of the history of this Conspiracy as is possible in a single volume. I have made extensive use of quotations from the works of others as a means of convincing the skeptic that the evidence of the Conspiracy's existence comes from others than this author. What the reader will see as he progresses through this book, I am convinced, is a picture of a giant conspiracy so immense that it poses the greatest threat to the freedoms and rights of all human beings, not only in the United States, but all over the world. It is likely that, as the reader completes this book, despair will replace curiosity, especially if this explanation of the events being reviewed has never been explored before. That is an unfortunate consequence of my research, and the author is sorry that he must be the bearer of such bad tidings. Despair, however, can reasonably be replaced with cautious optimism. The battle is not yet over, and there is reason to be encouraged. But you are the final participant. What happens will largely be dependent on your action once you've read this book. If anyone is seriously intrested in the book i'll post the introduction for further examination of what this book gets into. It really does hold your hand and spell everything out for you. After one reads this book you'll look through this very thread and take note on how ignorant everyone really is that thinks they know anything about todays politics. | ||
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02-26-2010, 01:43 PM
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Title: The Unseen Hand: An Introduction Into the Conspiratorial View of History, 1982
Yeah, I don't see a bias towards one side or the other in that title at all. Quote:
I love how conspiracy theorists say things like "You can't believe everything you read" and "don't trust the government/media/instutition" but then proceed to simply buy into a different theory. Then they say "I know the truth, all you sheep, everyone else is ignorant, I'm so brilliant, check out this you-tube video." | |||
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02-26-2010, 02:05 PM
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Seriously man.. I know that people out there are whack-jobs, but all of these "theories" are not created equal. Some have merit, some do not. To wantonly lump them together as material to be dismissed without examination verges on the fanatical.
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02-26-2010, 02:28 PM
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02-26-2010, 02:41 PM
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02-27-2010, 03:41 AM
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@Hasbinbad: Consistent lack of credible evidence with conspiracy theories I've been presented with thus far is good reason to be moderately sceptical of new ones; especially new ones which are presented with not much evidence and lots of language like; "government wins, hello communism," and, "Fight the ocean, you will drown," oh, and here's a real gem; "...the rotting pig stew we're in..." Ockham's Razor is also a decent starting point. I think examining conspiracy theories makes sense, but many theories and proponents of theories do an exceptionally poor job of providing engaging arguments or evidence to people prior to the "buying the book" stage (which, because of the failure to provide engaging arguments or evidence, fewer people get to). Instead, vague generalizations and mockery of anyone who doesn't immediately say "Oh, look at your vague generalizations, this book seems great, I should go buy it" is generally met with mockery; which again, isn't conducive to getting people to engage with the theory.
@IRS: Post some of the arguments contained in the book, a real summary or explanation of the arguments/examples? Thus far, we have nothing more than "there is such thing as a conspiracy theory of history, and this such book exists." I have a torrent of The Unseen Hand running, but it has basically no seeders, so it's going to take a while. Then reading it, and looking up the evidence it presents. If we're going to have a discussion, you are probably much better off posting a little more of the books content. Quote:
Furthermore, since your interest is to get the most people to read this book and recognize the examples and arguments contained therein as true, you are better off providing some of those arguments, because a person is more likely to go to the effort to buy and read a book if they have initial reason to believe the book is going to be interesting and provide new evidence and arguments. At the moment, I am moderately sceptical that the book won't be something I haven't read a dozen times before. David Icke was crazy, but at least his material represented a new progression of old ideas. So yeah; I am interested, but give me some material to go on. | |||
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02-27-2010, 03:49 AM
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A person who dies for a cause is absolutely ridiculous. To hell with martyrs!
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