For fans of heavy metal [Lot of Youtube links]

[Angushjalmur]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

GWAR falls into its own category. We all agreed on that?

Unanimously.

In the words of the late Oderus Urungus:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvmCUqNxOQc

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by entruil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

depends on the sql column...

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So worth beating that game with the backstage pass.

[Angushjalmur]

Originally Posted by Chaboo_Cleric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No Cradle of Filth eh?

This thread is for metal thank you very much

[Angushjalmur]

Originally Posted by Chaboo_Cleric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Damnation and a day is pretty fuckin metal bro, fuck


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wZXhNfoapI

Cradle of filth is like if christina agulera had hung out at hot topic as a teen ager

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Csihar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're very wrong here. I agree that their formation was different but there has been influence on both sides.

No, it really is different. Any indie musician website shows this, I mean where independent musicians go to find recorded loops or even midi files to load into VST's. A punk and metal category are two separate categories. You cant say.. go to the punk category and really build a coherent metal song out of what's available.

When I say technique, I'm really being technical here. Especially where concerning guitars and drums. There is a physical technique between the two styles that sets them apart.

Like for drums, there is a different pattern between them. Metal is like a war drum how it's arranged. You have the charge of the infantry, or the gallop of the cavalry as two examples. Punk more resembles the chaotic clash of a street brawl, or hit and run tactics of a militia.

When you get to guitars, you have metal more representing the clashing of swords and as they bend/arch through the air, or the dance of a fencer. Punk you're bashing someones face with your fist, pummeling them with a brick.

Then tempo isn't really a definer, you can find fast tempo in electric blues. You can turn up tempo, or slow it down - with most any genre and it still wont change the style of the instruments with how they are physically played. But when you get down to how instruments are played, the technique used, the arrangements, you specifically define the genre through the overall style of the song.

And I'm addressing the more established classic sense of these genres, as I know with the rise of the home studio software, the many people now trying their hand at composing, many are building Frankenstein's with them trying to be noticed as different and edgy.

Influences don't mean a whole lot. You'll find a lot of metal bands influenced by classical music like from Mozart to Beethoven. A youtube search will even provide metal versions of classical scores. You see the influence in metal because of the war drum effect, where some classical music patterns on that style as well. Ahh music theory hehe.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it really is different. Any indie musician website shows this, I mean where independent musicians go to find recorded loops or even midi files to load into VST's. A punk and metal category are two separate categories. You cant say.. go to the punk category and really build a coherent metal song out of what's available.

When I say technique, I'm really being technical here. Especially where concerning guitars and drums. There is a physical technique between the two styles that sets them apart.

Like for drums, there is a different pattern between them. Metal is like a war drum how it's arranged. You have the charge of the infantry, or the gallop of the cavalry as two examples. Punk more resembles the chaotic clash of a street brawl, or hit and run tactics of a militia.

When you get to guitars, you have metal more representing the clashing of swords and as they bend/arch through the air, or the dance of a fencer. Punk you're bashing someones face with your fist, pummeling them with a brick.

Then tempo isn't really a definer, you can find fast tempo in electric blues. You can turn up tempo, or slow it down - with most any genre and it still wont change the style of the instruments with how they are physically played. But when you get down to how instruments are played, the technique used, the arrangements, you specifically define the genre through the overall style of the song.

And I'm addressing the more established classic sense of these genres, as I know with the rise of the home studio software, the many people now trying their hand at composing, many are building Frankenstein's with them trying to be noticed as different and edgy.

Influences don't mean a whole lot. You'll find a lot of metal bands influenced by classical music like from Mozart to Beethoven. A youtube search will even provide metal versions of classical scores. You see the influence in metal because of the war drum effect, where some classical music patterns on that style as well. Ahh music theory hehe.

Autism.

[entruil]

Originally Posted by Chaboo_Cleric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rock and metal can be traced back to the blues. The blues has such a large formation of scales and time it's ridiculous. Playing guitar in the beginning I played metal , now that I am older blues owns.

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[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Chaboo_Cleric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rock and metal can be traced back to the blues. The blues has such a large formation of scales and time it's ridiculous. Playing guitar in the beginning I played metal , now that I am older blues owns.

Yep, just like I mentioned in my first post. Blues to rock then to other forms including branching to metal or punk. They share roots, some similarities, but they are different. Just like I can't set my multi-pedal to a metal/hard-rock beat and play slow blues over it, it just doesn't match. In fact I need to change the whole sound of the pedals to get something that really resembles blues sound and able to accent the blues technique while playing (my pref being acoustic simulator there, maybe with a touch of analog chorus). And all much easier to play on a slow blues drum arrangement.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Autism.

More like you're tone deaf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jN3q8GdAWs
https://youtu.be/Up3tS5WmTOA

[Csihar]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it really is different. Any indie musician website shows this, I mean where independent musicians go to find recorded loops or even midi files to load into VST's. A punk and metal category are two separate categories. You cant say.. go to the punk category and really build a coherent metal song out of what's available.

When I say technique, I'm really being technical here. Especially where concerning guitars and drums. There is a physical technique between the two styles that sets them apart.

Like for drums, there is a different pattern between them. Metal is like a war drum how it's arranged. You have the charge of the infantry, or the gallop of the cavalry as two examples. Punk more resembles the chaotic clash of a street brawl, or hit and run tactics of a militia.

When you get to guitars, you have metal more representing the clashing of swords and as they bend/arch through the air, or the dance of a fencer. Punk you're bashing someones face with your fist, pummeling them with a brick.

Then tempo isn't really a definer, you can find fast tempo in electric blues. You can turn up tempo, or slow it down - with most any genre and it still wont change the style of the instruments with how they are physically played. But when you get down to how instruments are played, the technique used, the arrangements, you specifically define the genre through the overall style of the song.

And I'm addressing the more established classic sense of these genres, as I know with the rise of the home studio software, the many people now trying their hand at composing, many are building Frankenstein's with them trying to be noticed as different and edgy.

Influences don't mean a whole lot. You'll find a lot of metal bands influenced by classical music like from Mozart to Beethoven. A youtube search will even provide metal versions of classical scores. You see the influence in metal because of the war drum effect, where some classical music patterns on that style as well. Ahh music theory hehe.

If you're talking about traditional heavy metal vs punk (as in Ramones, The Damned first albums etc.) then sure.
That's where it stops. Street and crust punk bands use metal riffs. Punk drumming is everywhere in metal. Your description only fits "pure" punk and metal.

Respond to the examples I gave. Tell me that Amebix doesn't utilize both metal and punk.
Tell me Crossover thrash, metalcore, grindcore etc. don't use both styles of music.

If the categories include all metal and punk bands you can quite easily create a punk song from the metal section and vice versa.

Is this punk or metal?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he1tq6hn5oA

Does this remind you of D-beat drumming? It should
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UGTW6eX8ug

Example of sludge metal (starts at 2:00. Listen for about a minute)
https://youtu.be/WLiWgvMEPZ8?t=113

Due to laziness I went to wikipedia. You mentioned drumming:

"A blast beat is a drum beat that originated in hardcore punk and grindcore, and is often associated with extreme metal and more recently black metal and thrash. It is utilised by many different styles of metal."

There you go.