The legality of vigilantism is fundamentally flawed

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Wow, almost like from the pages of a comic book...


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[sOurDieSel]

Originally Posted by R Flair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't leave interpretation of the law in the hands of vigilantes. Its one thing when its easy, a dude is killing someone or pointing a gun at someones head. When you have to judge anything in a gray area it will give rise to psychopaths with very loose interpretations of the law having a field day.

I believe you are referring to what we call lawyers and politicians... We have just replaced so called vigilantes with hired gunman working for the government.

[maskedmelon]

We just need to kill people who commit crime. Eventually we will have no crime.

[entruil]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm still waiting for a response.

Anyone can step up. Should there not be reduced sentences for acts of vigilantism?

Isn't that precisely what Crime of Passion is?

Now to the premeditated side of things;

It's too easy to be clouded by Delusions or other Neurosis.

Having an even playing field for everyone and an objective ?moderator? to determine "Harm" and also ensuring "Just Punishment" is paramount.

The problem with overbloated oppressive governments is the same as with vigilantism(?), crimes are still there except the ones enforcing the laws become the criminals.

Having the same "Judge,Jury, and Executioner" rarely ends well for anyone except the Powerful.

(Kinda ranted and repeated some stuff)...

So on premeditated side of things i would argue we need Tougher Sentences.

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We just need to kill people who commit crime. Eventually we will have no crime.

hehehe i feel like i'm running in circles now

[aMindAmok]

Originally Posted by Angushjalmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why have any penalty for instances of vigilantism that are justified though?

Someone kills a member of your family, kill a member of theirs ect.

There's nothing to penalize there

This is absurd. Let's say your cousin kills my brother. In retaliation, I choose you as my fair target for death. Would you die willingly? Would you defend youself? Should you kill me as I am trying to kill you does my family now get to kill two of your family indescriminantly? When does this cycle stop? This is why vigilantism is discouraged and punished. There is no way to determine equitable justice for any party outside of mediation. That is the roll the law plays. The rule of law makes civilized society possible. Meating out justice based on revenge will quickly devolve into anarchy. This is one of the ideals that keeps some third world countries from progressing to become a modern society. It's a backwards and regressive concept that best left to the history books.

[aMindAmok]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We just need to kill people who commit crime. Eventually we will have no crime.

... or people.

[entruil]

Not going to say i read it, but this looks like a good read that is at least relevant in the beginning.... web-site is shit so you can look it up yourself or listen to reading on youtube...

"Are Cops Constitutional?" By Roger Roots
Audio Reading - "Are Cops Constitutional?" By Roger Roots, Part 1 of 2



in trying to determine if this had been mentioned before i came across this;
http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=249113
thought it was worth linking, but not for any real reason...


sorry if i missed it.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by aMindAmok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... or people.

Nonsense ^^ We'll have the authority and those who abide in him.

Society has no need of criminals.

[R Flair]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nonsense ^^ We'll have the authority and those who abide in him.

Society has no need of criminals.

Ya. I wouldn't say it so flippantly, but I basically suggested the same.

Most criminals are not scared of jail. If they were going to die they might. Even for simpler crimes, I think prison should be less hospitable. I mean you get fried chicken and pancakes. WTF is that. Serious crimes not worthy of death should eat gruel or bread and water.

[Ahldagor]

So the child that takes a pack of gum should be put to death? Display common sense por favor.