Bill Maher Explains the Problem with Trumpism 5 Years Ago

[pgerman]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like how people think huge multi-national corporations like they have their best interest at heart...and I can go on with the reverse strawman but I'm not going to.

Talking about government like its a monolithic entity with an agenda of its own just advertises your own brainwashing. The government is not one person, one agency, one anything.

The countries with high GDP per capita and low wealth inequality don't use our system, "liberal market economy." They use systems like democratic socialist and corporatism. The jury is out, our system inflates the top one percent until were in the streets like those BLM people. Our entire system is predicated on keeping labor cheap. We aren't -- and never were -- a free market. We don't subject the elites in this country to "market discipline," only the rest of us.

The government is a tool that people in lower classes need to learn to use. Rather than adopting your defeatist attitude. News flash -- there's more of us than them. I'm not suggesting the 1% pay us, I'm suggesting we never let them get as much to begin with moving forward.

Federal Government = consolidation of multinational corporation power


Local and state government powers should always exceed those of the Federal government, we are going in the wrong direction on that.

It is VERY hard to individually corrupt many smaller governments, to corrupt a consolidated form of power in which we have now is VERY easy.

So let me break this down for you. I don't care what candidate is what. Or how many lies they tell.

It comes down to a couple simple things.

1. Who will shrink the federal government powers
2. Who will collect LESS taxes thus giving less power to federal government

Everything else on a national level is just hot air. Because both sides are almost identical in actual policy.

The more money you give to the federal government , the more % share of power they have. You basically sell your freedom 1% at a time. Until you are working for the federal government, and they are working for the multi nationals.

Support the power of individual states, and local governments. Don't get caught up in vague arguments from the Feds.
Trust me they don't give a shit about gay rights, or what bathroom anyone uses. They will use any excuse to extract another % of freedom from the public.


They got you distracted with slight of hand. Don't be fooled.

[R Flair]

^very well said

[Lune]

Originally Posted by pgerman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything else on a national level is just hot air. Because both sides are almost identical in actual policy.

Not true really, but this is an attractive state of mind because you don't even need to understand or think about issues to have it. Yet it gives the impression that you're edgy and seditious and have 'ascended' beyond normal politics.

No, the world is just not that simple that you can boil it down to a rule like this. There are gigantic practical differences in policy, even when you operate under the assumption that every member of both parties are corrupt corporate puppets.

[R Flair]

^also true, but govt size is a good rule of thumb to start with.

[Csihar]

Originally Posted by surron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

check this out im bout to leave work early and go surf some tastey waves and then probably fuck my girl in her butt hole while you losers sit on an internet forum for your friday night

Make sure you don't get any poop in the peehole.

[R Flair]

prolly chose the butt hole for lack of an optional hole

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by R Flair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

prolly chose the butt hole for lack of an optional hole

this is a dunk.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by pgerman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Federal Government = consolidation of multinational corporation power


Local and state government powers should always exceed those of the Federal government, we are going in the wrong direction on that.

It is VERY hard to individually corrupt many smaller governments, to corrupt a consolidated form of power in which we have now is VERY easy.

So let me break this down for you. I don't care what candidate is what. Or how many lies they tell.

It comes down to a couple simple things.

1. Who will shrink the federal government powers
2. Who will collect LESS taxes thus giving less power to federal government

Everything else on a national level is just hot air. Because both sides are almost identical in actual policy.

The more money you give to the federal government , the more % share of power they have. You basically sell your freedom 1% at a time. Until you are working for the federal government, and they are working for the multi nationals.

Support the power of individual states, and local governments. Don't get caught up in vague arguments from the Feds.
Trust me they don't give a shit about gay rights, or what bathroom anyone uses. They will use any excuse to extract another % of freedom from the public.


They got you distracted with slight of hand. Don't be fooled.

Accountability at a state and local level is far below that of the national level. There is a complete lack of voter interest in anything below a gubernatorial election. The turn out for local level elections is something like 20% at HIGHEST. Government corruption at the city level is famously common.

There are no examples of any country with high GDP per capita and low wealth inequality that use our decentralised system. As far as I can see, this system works great for a divide and conquer strategy by large corporations. It creates a "race to the bottom," where states and municipalities are competing with each other to offer the most subsidies and tax breaks to potential "job creators." It's pretty common for them to use up their subsidy package and then move on to the next state.

Ask Daywolf how happy he is with that super accountable state government in California*. Where the Democratic party is the only game in town -- so you get rich assholes like Gavin Newsom running the show. Watch that dumbass try to stand up to a guy that barely graduated high school:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42wbI7LxRns (Adam Carolla)

I'm not going to get into to Republican state corruption unless someone implies it isn't there.

Look, states made sense in the 1800s. People in each state had a lot more in common then, and the federal government wasn't nearly as accountable as it is now. When we were using horses for travel I don't think I would have been a big fan of federal government. And it is not that I'm a "big fan" now, its just that I recognize that it is the only tool powerful enough to actually stand up to elites. And we know the sword can cut both ways...we just need the right wing to know that too.

*for some reason I think Daywolf is from CA, I can't remember why and don't want to take the time to confirm.

Edit: There is no "individual" in control of the U.S. government. All a president can do is try to get CONGRESS (535 people all over the country) to pass a law. That law must be upheld by 9 Justices. It is far easier to prevent something from happening in our government than it is to make something happen. That's the way it is designed.

[Nibblewitz]

JD, you are not only barking up the wrong tree but you gotta keep those posts short and sweet; their soundbite brains can't comprehend.

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Accountability at a state and local level is far below that of the national level. There is a complete lack of voter interest in anything below a gubernatorial election. The turn out for local level elections is something like 20% at HIGHEST. Government corruption at the city level is famously common.

There are no examples of any country with high GDP per capita and low wealth inequality that use our decentralised system. As far as I can see, this system works great for a divide and conquer strategy by large corporations. It creates a "race to the bottom," where states and municipalities are competing with each other to offer the most subsidies and tax breaks to potential "job creators." It's pretty common for them to use up their subsidy package and then move on to the next state.

Ask Daywolf how happy he is with that super accountable state government in California*. Where the Democratic party is the only game in town -- so you get rich assholes like Gavin Newsom running the show. Watch that dumbass try to stand up to a guy that barely graduated high school:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42wbI7LxRns (Adam Carolla)

I'm not going to get into to Republican state corruption unless someone implies it isn't there.

Look, states made sense in the 1800s. People in each state had a lot more in common then, and the federal government wasn't nearly as accountable as it is now. When we were using horses for travel I don't think I would have been a big fan of federal government. And it is not that I'm a "big fan" now, its just that I recognize that it is the only tool powerful enough to actually stand up to elites. And we know the sword can cut both ways...we just need the right wing to know that too.

*for some reason I think Daywolf is from CA, I can't remember why and don't want to take the time to confirm.

Edit: There is no "individual" in control of the U.S. government. All a president can do is try to get CONGRESS (535 people all over the country) to pass a law. That law must be upheld by 9 Justices. It is far easier to prevent something from happening in our government than it is to make something happen. That's the way it is designed.

Keep talking like that and they'll say you're either muslim, jew or black (from experience [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] )