Millennial men 20% weaker than their fathers

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_ecology

' Many ecosystems, particularly prairie, savanna, chaparral and coniferous forests, have evolved with fire as a contributor to habitat vitality and renewal. Many plant species in fire-affected environments require fire to germinate, establish, or to reproduce. Wildfire suppression not only eliminates these species, but also the animals that depend upon them. Finally, fire suppression can lead to the build-up of flammable debris and the creation of less frequent but much larger and more destructive wildfires.'

[JackFlash]

Ok I'll bite. Here is some research on a low grade form of fertilizer. Seems like all those heavy metals in all the wood ash fertilized food you eat are taking hold. 0-1-3 npk isn't going to do shit for ya bro. Learn to grow.

https://extension.umaine.edu/publications/2279e/

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first part of your link and the premise for the study...
'Pulp and paper companies in Maine often burn wood, bark or paper-mill sludge to make electricity. '

and later...

'Although ash is often mixed with water (“conditioned”) before leaving the power plant, it can dry out after being stored in the field. Be careful when you handle any dusty soil amendment (like ash, lime or dry fertilizer). '

and....





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_...aper_recycling

from Limitations and impacts of paper recycling section...
'Along with fibres, paper might contain a variety of inorganic and organic constituents. Paper might contain up to 10,000 different chemicals'

was something else but i took too long... seems like the results might be different from a personal/residential perspective?...

[bdastomper58]

daywolfs posts are like a love letter to Sorcha Faal

[Daywolf]

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low grade form of fertilizer.

wow! and they had these factories in the 14th century where they churned out heavy metal laden industrial waste from trash and sludge, ran out of landfill so started dumping the waste product onto farms? So showed me up! I sure hope they modernized these factories over the past millennia, maybe you should ring 0bama and check on that. Maybe he'll even increase that other industrial waste production, fluoride, and increase our drinking water dosage of it.
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[bdastomper58]

you are too dumb to realize the soda pic is fake

this is art. you are art.

[bdastomper58]

did you know nutella is made with INGREDIENTS?

teach the controversy

[JackFlash]

Also too dumb to realize there are two nutella recipes. One is produced in Canada the other in Italy.

Keep going daywolf. I'm enjoying this thread while eating my nutella from a jar. Tell me more about heavy metal laden industrial waste from the 14th century.

[Raev]

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Tell us more about the real food? I would argue that as you go back to the 50's (millenial fathers) food gets worse by the year and people actually eat better now.

The NPK fertilizer revolution started in 1945 when the bomb companies realized that fertilizer and bombs are very similar chemically (think McVeigh). The problem is that while you can grow great looking plants with NPK, humans need the trace minerals like selenium, copper, zinc, etc. Then you have the Great Hybridization; modern wheat has far more poisonous gluten than it did before. Then you have the carcinogenic artificial sweeteners (read up on Aspartame and Rumsfeld sometime). Then you have the confinement beef and dairy where the animals wallow in their own poo and are so unhealthy that they need constant shots of antibiotics to avoid keeling over dead. Then you have the nutty crusade against animal fats; McDonalds used to fry their french fries in beef tallow! And finally you have the food pyramid which encouraged Americans to fry their pancreas with 500+ calories of carbs at every meal.

So I'm curious why you think that our food is somehow better nowadays. It's *possible* to eat better now, but it's very hard.

Also, since the article measured grip strength, I find it rather interesting that ever since I started doing kettlebell swings my grip has gotten a lot better. I went back to my CoC grippers that I haven't used in a year (I bought them to help my deadlifts, which are still limited by my hands) and nearly did the #1 (140 lbs) with my weak hand (inb4 masturbatory jokes). Pretty amazing considering I only do swings with the 40 lb bell and with two hands.

[Danth]

I drive a car with a V-8 engine, wear a broad-brimmed hat, believe men are men and women are women and it's okay that they're not the same, and don't have any notion of how to work a smartphone (indeed, I refuse to carry a cellular phone at all). Guess I'm a dinosaur. I can live with that.

A lot of the reason you're seeing an increase in cancer deaths and such nowadays has to be because folks aren't dying of other stuff first quite so often. Historically it was fairly commonplace for men, especially, to keel over dead from heart attacks in their upper 40's or 50's. That doesn't happen nearly so often anymore. My old man had a major heart attack in 1988 that should've killed him when he was 61 (and would have in any other era)...instead he recovered and lived almost another 20 years and died of other issues unrelated to the heart instead. Same for my mom, she lived long enough due to modern health care that she died of things that wouldn't have had a chance to kill her in earlier eras. Heck, prior to postwar medicine she would've died from pregnancy complications and I wouldn't be here to post this. It's a common story. Odds are a fair number of you folks wouldn't, either, considering that some half of all people used to die in childhood, who consequently never had a chance to die of the things we die of nowadays.

There's truth in that it's all too easy to eat a lot of food and still wind up malnourished. We're better off than we used to be because most everyone can *afford* food now (food used to be expensive!) but folks still have to educate themselves to be sure they're getting the nutrition they need. "Junk" food is a fairly modern invention and the human subconscious hasn't really had a chance to get used to the notion, yet.

At least in my case the change in restaurant cooking oil had a very unintended effect: The vegetable-oil fried french fries are far inferior, taste disgusting, and caused me to stop eating out years ago. The restaurants also seem to dump loads more salt on stuff to try to compensate for the lack of flavor and it only succeeds in turning the food into a sort of salt lick. Lots more sugar in stuff now too. Yuck! In the early 90's I used to buy fries a couple times a week, at least....I haven't bought any for years and years now.

That being said, I don't drink bottled water. It always tastes like plastic and I'm fairly sure water isn't supposed to taste like plastic.

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If men aren't developing their muscles as well nowadays as they used to it's quite probably due more to changing demands than due to dietary factors. Most modern men simply don't *use* their muscles all that much unless due to deliberate exercise; manual labor just isn't a big deal for most folks. Doing homeowner work with picks and shovels and blue-collar factory work involving heavy lifting has largely been replaced by mechanized assistance and white-collar office work. To put it another way, I bet most men can't ride a horse as well as the typical guy could 100 years ago, either.

Those "manly" victorian-era men? Nope, they were routinely mocked for being foppish dandys by the older men of that time. I look at millennial guys and think all too many of 'em look like a bunch of sorry weaklings, but that's the new norm and they're a reflection of the times just as I'm a reflection of my era.