Trump's Valor

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its mostly theory seeing as the Jew World order took them out before they could implement most of their ideas. You have to look at what the economist and thinkers of the era were talking about. Gottfried Feder was a big influence. The 25 point program and the "historical" thing you are mentioning was like 4-5 years before everything was a wartime economy under Schact. Its not actually answering the question of what NS economics was about. You keep trying to make NS into this pseudo-communist idea of yours. Like I said it was meritocratic. Your idea of a welfare net was for Germans only it wasn't for a parasitic non-producing underclass to be dependent on the state.

damn this ***** cookin em to the third degree

bricks dangerously close to being unloaded from the boat, hope (((Lune))) backs down for his own sake. playing semantics doesn't end well.

[Daywolf]

"pseudo-communist idea".... with all these f2p mmo's now (I don't play them :P ) has anyone tried modeling one on socialism? Oh what fun... I can just imagine hehe

Like daily... mostly ... sometimes ... the server automatically deposits a welfare check into your bank account, a few copper pieces ... or made out of some metal anyway (led?). Your characters gotta eat, so you log in daily, stand in a bread line for 4 hrs for your daily quest and hope they have enough bread pixels left so you can get some.

If they run out of bread, you sneak out of the ghetto zone, into the swamp zone near by looking for some slugs or a rare snail, and hope you don't get spotted and guard whacked.

Snail shells are good drops after eating the insides raw, if you collect enough shells you can trade them for a piece of string or a button, maybe craft with them one day.

After half a day of farming a virtually barren swamp where nothing hardly spawns and is usually picked clean, you head back to your house, which is more like a small utility shack where eight other people share rent with you. You log and wait for the next welfare check to maybe bribe some players to get further up in the quest que line next time.

I'd imagine there would be no way to level-up, the point is just not to die, which likely will come by the tip of a guards club, or starvation.

To be fair, this socialism would be set 20 years after the revolution, when it's run out of everybody else's money.

 

Venezuela Online

[R Flair]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"pseudo-communist idea".... with all these f2p mmo's now (I don't play them :P ) has anyone tried modeling one on socialism? Oh what fun... I can just imagine hehe

Like daily... mostly ... sometimes ... the server automatically deposits a welfare check into your bank account, a few copper pieces ... or made out of some metal anyway (led?). Your characters gotta eat, so you log in daily, stand in a bread line for 4 hrs for your daily quest and hope they have enough bread pixels left so you can get some.

If they run out of bread, you sneak out of the ghetto zone, into the swamp zone near by looking for some slugs or a rare snail, and hope you don't get spotted and guard whacked.

Snail shells are good drops after eating the insides raw, if you collect enough shells you can trade them for a piece of string or a button, maybe craft with them one day.

After half a day of farming a virtually barren swamp where nothing hardly spawns and is usually picked clean, you head back to your house, which is more like a small utility shack where eight other people share rent with you. You log and wait for the next welfare check to maybe bribe some players to get further up in the quest que line next time.

I'd imagine there would be no way to level-up, the point is just not to die, which likely will come by the tip of a guards club, or starvation.

To be fair, this socialism would be set 20 years after the revolution, when it's run out of everybody else's money.

 

Venezuela Online

Actually, the current MMO design paradigm is highly Marxist in nature and thats exactly why they're failing. Not as far as the in-game economy as you suggest, but rather the design which is driven by philosophies of entitlement. This has led to them lacking any sense of achievement for most adult players.

Where our success in old mmos was mostly born out of hard work, time spent, skill of play as well as social skills, today mmos are full of systems that enable even the worst of players to succeed.

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course not. What they mean by it is raping the middle-class out of existence. It's been working too - over the past ~decade. Because once you have no economic middle-class, you just have rich and poor, and so kick off the communist revolution out of that class warfare like other nations have done.

See, it burns their little skulls, because the US mostly invented the middle-class, and so the class warfare tactic has been useless against us. The US is too prosperous, all this freedom leads to exceptionalism in invention, work ethic, economic strength, has led to great advancements never seen in our world history.

Well, that doesn't fit a world socialist/communist system, the US must be overthrown and made into the image of what they think it should be. Broken families, broken economies, endless debt, destroyed economic middle-class. Basically Chicago, but everywhere.

You're new socialist formula doesn't work, not unless you remove the socialism. What was the definition of insanity? Oh yeah, to do the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

May i remind you that the USA is probably the most all-out capitalistic of all western countries ?

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[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

May i remind you that the USA is probably the most all-out capitalistic of all western countries ?

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I don't grade on a curve. How very progressive of you.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

May i remind you that the USA is probably the most all-out capitalistic of all western countries ?

You linked a graph of wealth inequality as a proof that the USA is a capitalist economy. This is mind-bogglingly stupid.

Inequality can be quite high in socialist countries. For example, the socialist paradise Venezuela is bringing back slavery while the government officials are eating a $65,000 cake.

Also, inequality in the US is primarily rising due to (((Bernanke))) transferring huge amounts of money to the 1% by inflating asset prices, not our nonexistent free markets.

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the socialist paradise Venezuela

..who ever said that ? Anyone with his right mind knows venezuela is just an oligarchy.

You think european countries are comparable to venezuela ?

My whole point with my graphic is that the whole "trickle down" doesn't work at all. Of course in the right wing all capitalistic, the poors are just too lazy to get rich. When you work 3 jobs at once working 90 hours per week to barely make a living, you obviously are a lazy asshole.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

May i remind you that the USA is probably the most all-out capitalistic of all western countries ?

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Hypothetical for you.

Everyone in the world has the same amount of money, and each individual is free to spend it how they choose. When someone invents the next latest and greatest tech gadget and delivers it to the market and some people choose, on their own, willingly, to buy it, and others don't.... now you've got a group with what they wanted (and less money), a group with what they wanted (and the same amount of money as before), and a group (investors, inventors, workers for the newest inventor guy) with what they wanted (profits from sale of the latest tech device).

At what point exactly did something happen that caused this sudden inequality to be a bad thing?

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hypothetical for you.

Everyone in the world has the same amount of money, and each individual is free to spend it how they choose. When someone invents the next latest and greatest tech gadget and delivers it to the market and some people choose, on their own, willingly, to buy it, and others don't.... now you've got a group with what they wanted (and less money), a group with what they wanted (and the same amount of money as before), and a group (investors, inventors, workers for the newest inventor guy) with what they wanted (profits from sale of the latest tech device).

At what point exactly did something happen that caused this sudden inequality to be a bad thing?

I don't think reasonable people make the argument that inequality is inherently a bad thing. There is supposed to be inequality; talented and/or hardworking people are supposed to be rewarded far more than indigents. However, at a certain point, it starts becoming harmful.

Remember that in capitalism, having capital frees you from having to sell your labor for sustenance, and your money works for you. The more money you have, the greater the share of new and existing wealth you capture. Couple that with what Raev said, Bernanke pouring gasoline into the whole thing, and the government providing a corporate safety net to offset some of the risk inherent in investment, and you have a situation where people with capital are performing tremendously well. And before you know it we're in the Gilded Age again.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think reasonable people make the argument that inequality is inherently a bad thing. There is supposed to be inequality; talented and/or hardworking people are supposed to be rewarded far more than indigents. However, at a certain point, it starts becoming harmful.

Remember that in capitalism, having capital frees you from having to sell your labor for sustenance, and your money works for you. The more money you have, the greater the share of new and existing wealth you capture. Couple that with what Raev said, Bernanke pouring gasoline into the whole thing, and the government providing a corporate safety net to offset some of the risk inherent in investment, and you have a situation where people with capital are performing tremendously well. And before you know it we're in the Gilded Age again.

Right.

So, more or less, it's the criminal acts of some people that contribute to inequality that are the real problem? I agree with that. And I assume Jarn and most people (not many Marxists around anymore, after all) agree too.

So how is any socialist-ish policy going to fix this? Preferably without infringing upon the rights of people who haven't done anything wrong in accumulating wealth, such as, you know, stealing some of their wealth away from them and giving it to someone else instead of letting them decide what they want to do with their own property.