Trump's Valor

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The mean the wars Bush started?

Here's how the voting played out for the Iraq War resolution:
Republican: 215 Yes, 6 No
Democrat : 82 Yes, 126 No

You are beyond ignorant.

And I'm suppose to defend Bush here? lol
See, 100% proved my point.
0boma carried Gulf War II longer than Bush, after running on how wrong it was and promises of getting out. That's only the tip of the iceberg, 0bama and the dems are HAWKS, to the bone.

Fun point: you brought up Vietnam, since that was LBJ. See, if it's a Rep then it's the Reps fault. But if Dem, its America's fault. That's some deep denial...

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now now Lune the senate was democrat led and they voted 77-22 in favor of the war.

qft

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I'll just add a reminder note here: Twice not voting for W, voted other. Never once supported nation building, I debated years with reps telling them it'll never work; it's a land of dictators, period.

The neocons in both parties do nothing but fight over who is going to do it, that's it.
Oh, so to not come off as a total hippie peacenik, I did support Gulf War I. Shouldn't have stopped there though, I didn't support sanctions at all. Iraq should have been smashed and a new dictator installed :P Clinton, the Germans and the French raped the country for 8 years.

[Tankdan]

900-something troops died each year under Bush Jr average
900-something troops died each year under Clinton average

99% of people seem to forget this.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now now Lune the senate was democrat led and they voted 77-22 in favor of the war.

Shamelessly misrepresenting reality. The Senate consisted of 50 Democrats, 49 Republicans, and 1 Independent.

Republican: 48 Yes, 1 No
Democrat: 29 Yes, 21 No

Combining the House and Senate, 111/258 Democrats (43%) voted Yes, 263/270 (97%) of Republicans voted Yes.

Look at all the alt rights desperately trying to make it look like 97% of Republicans didn't vote Yes on the Iraq blunder.

Anyway playing the blame game is pointlessly irrelevant in this thread, even if you believe Obama created ISIS. The relevant point is deploying troops to fight ISIS is just another blunder. And no, the DoD under Donald Trump is not going to commit atrocities and warcrimes like targeting families.

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shamelessly misrepresenting reality. The Senate consisted of 50 Democrats, 49 Republicans, and 1 Independent.

Republican: 48 Yes, 1 No
Democrat: 29 Yes, 21 No

Combining the House and Senate, 111/258 Democrats (43%) voted Yes, 263/270 (97%) of Republicans voted Yes.

Look at all the alt rights desperately trying to make it look like 97% of Republicans didn't vote Yes on the Iraq blunder.

Anyway playing the blame game is pointlessly irrelevant in this thread, even if you believe Obama created ISIS. The relevant point is deploying troops to fight ISIS is just another blunder. And no, the DoD under Donald Trump is not going to commit atrocities and warcrimes like targeting families.

I was merely pointing out it was a shared responsibility and also I went on to explain that this is a long term plan meant to be carried out regardless of who the establishment puts in there. That is why Trump is the wild card he doesn't seem to be supporting their plans he just wants to weaken and contain the terrorist. The establishment has been trying to run something like a controlled burn.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Tankdan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

900-something troops died each year under Bush Jr average
900-something troops died each year under Clinton average

99% of people seem to forget this.

Nah just white washers do. I was very against Clintons war in Yugoslavia/Bosnia, to the core. Both wrong war and wrong side (3-way civil war). I lost a childhood friend and his father in that, went to help family get out of the region, killed by the red white and blue supported muslims as they slaughtered Christians in a blood frenzy. The dif between Hitllary and Bubba is just Bubba has way more blood on his filthy hands at this point, but Hitllary given enough time will likely surpass the amounts of blood lust ever seen in our lifetime combined [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyway playing the blame game is pointlessly irrelevant in this thread, even if you believe Obama created ISIS. The relevant point is deploying troops to fight ISIS is just another blunder. And no, the DoD under Donald Trump is not going to commit atrocities and warcrimes like targeting families.

How is it a game? My point is both 0bama and Bush are screwed up. isis is just a reformation, but just the same group with a different name. They were around during Bush just as much as during 0bama. We're talking humans, not some abstract idea or movement.

I don't think you really understand what's going on, you are only listening to the commentaries of the mainstream media which is sold out to the liberals, a tool of the established order. You're still using last elections talking points like Bush vs. 0bama narrative junk, and the election before that. Do you know what actually happened within the repub party? what all the commotion and fighting was about? I mean even the dems had been building up their war chest to fight Jeb as everyone's obvious business as usual choice, or so they thought.

And it seemed like something the dems were almost going to go through too, a revolt against the established order. But in hindsight, especially with Bernie easily folding and what his wife said to him at the podium during all the boos (yeah someone cleaned that up so we could hear her words over the hot mic), it's looking like he was fully a plant to ensure Clinton's nomination. And something even the DNC didn't fathom.

The Clinton's had the metrics down from their political simulations (yes they do that) for what Bernie to say/promise to get enough of a following so that anyone truly sincere about pushing back against the established order wouldn't have a chance, then he hands it to Clinton, just like he did exactly. Well didn't totally come off as planned, the boos were not expected in their plan, their followers were not as gullible as they thought. But still managed the general result they wanted.

Bernie was the dems plant in a lot of ways as Cruz was for the reps, an inside man for Bush in his case. We're just hoping Trump isn't even another layer of the same onion, diabolically so. So far though he has seemed to check out as sincere, not linked to the establishment of the dems and reps (if you don't think that's an oligarchy you have way missed it btw). All there is is what's left for the imagination, like meeting with Kissinger etc, of which I like to think he let him know that if something happens to the Don, people have been left with instruction with who to go after and deal with [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is it a game? My point is both 0bama and Bush are screwed up. isis is just a reformation, but just the same group with a different name. They were around during Bush just as much as during 0bama. We're talking humans, not some abstract idea or movement.

I don't think you really understand what's going on, you are only listening to the commentaries of the mainstream media which is sold out to the liberals, a tool of the established order. You're still using last elections talking points like Bush vs. 0bama narrative junk, and the election before that. Do you know what actually happened within the repub party? what all the commotion and fighting was about? I mean even the dems had been building up their war chest to fight Jeb as everyone's obvious business as usual choice, or so they thought.

And it seemed like something the dems were almost going to go through too, a revolt against the established order. But in hindsight, especially with Bernie easily folding and what his wife said to him at the podium during all the boos (yeah someone cleaned that up so we could hear her words over the hot mic), it's looking like he was fully a plant to ensure Clinton's nomination. And something even the DNC didn't fathom.

The Clinton's had the metrics down from their political simulations (yes they do that) for what Bernie to say/promise to get enough of a following so that anyone truly sincere about pushing back against the established order wouldn't have a chance, then he hands it to Clinton, just like he did exactly. Well didn't totally come off as planned, the boos were not expected in their plan, their followers were not as gullible as they thought. But still managed the general result they wanted.

Bernie was the dems plant in a lot of ways as Cruz was for the reps, an inside man for Bush in his case. We're just hoping Trump isn't even another layer of the same onion, diabolically so. So far though he has seemed to check out as sincere, not linked to the establishment of the dems and reps (if you don't think that's an oligarchy you have way missed it btw). All there is is what's left for the imagination, like meeting with Kissinger etc, of which I like to think he let him know that if something happens to the Don, people have been left with instruction with who to go after and deal with [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol dum

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is it a game? My point is both 0bama and Bush are screwed up. isis is just a reformation, but just the same group with a different name. They were around during Bush just as much as during 0bama. We're talking humans, not some abstract idea or movement.

I don't think you really understand what's going on, you are only listening to the commentaries of the mainstream media which is sold out to the liberals, a tool of the established order. You're still using last elections talking points like Bush vs. 0bama narrative junk, and the election before that. Do you know what actually happened within the repub party? what all the commotion and fighting was about? I mean even the dems had been building up their war chest to fight Jeb as everyone's obvious business as usual choice, or so they thought.

And it seemed like something the dems were almost going to go through too, a revolt against the established order. But in hindsight, especially with Bernie easily folding and what his wife said to him at the podium during all the boos (yeah someone cleaned that up so we could hear her words over the hot mic), it's looking like he was fully a plant to ensure Clinton's nomination. And something even the DNC didn't fathom.

The Clinton's had the metrics down from their political simulations (yes they do that) for what Bernie to say/promise to get enough of a following so that anyone truly sincere about pushing back against the established order wouldn't have a chance, then he hands it to Clinton, just like he did exactly. Well didn't totally come off as planned, the boos were not expected in their plan, their followers were not as gullible as they thought. But still managed the general result they wanted.

Bernie was the dems plant in a lot of ways as Cruz was for the reps, an inside man for Bush in his case. We're just hoping Trump isn't even another layer of the same onion, diabolically so. So far though he has seemed to check out as sincere, not linked to the establishment of the dems and reps (if you don't think that's an oligarchy you have way missed it btw). All there is is what's left for the imagination, like meeting with Kissinger etc, of which I like to think he let him know that if something happens to the Don, people have been left with instruction with who to go after and deal with [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The government is clearly adding rainbows to our sprinkler systems to make us gay

[Ahldagor]

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[maskedmelon]

what's it like in the cave guys?