Dos the Left Hate Pride?

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your explicit assertion: liberals hate pride
Your tacit assertion: pride is a good thing and people who hate pride are bad, therefore liberals are bad
My assertion: it is literally a basic tenet of christianity that pride is the worst possible sin

Now. I generally prefer to let people draw their own conclusions from facts rather than spell them out, but here's a few obvious ones if you got lost somewhere along the way:

Most people in the US (regardless of political affiliation) are christian, and if they follow those tenets they should call patent bullshit on the aforementioned assumption that pride is a good thing

An even higher percentage of the political right are christian than the US population at large, and should be even more inclined than said population at large to espouse the concept of pride being sinful and wrong

If they aren't/don't, they are being hypocritical, which I'm assuming everyone agrees is bad...

I think it is obvious that you could then draw the following conclusion (irrespective of your actual religious affiliation, which I do not care to know):

anyone who criticizes a specific group of a specific like or dislike of a behavior without acknolwedging and understanding that a much larger group also has that exact same behavior codified in their belief system is simply ignoring reality, or, they are also tacitly accusing that group of hypocrisy.

Oh ok, so you were angry that I wasn't being inclusive. I had assumed (i know, you, me, ass, I get it) that you were suggesting I was somehow ambassador of the population you are angry with since you were somehow linking something I said with hypocrisy on their behalf. I hadn't really considered how the right views pride though. Wasn't part of the inspiration. We can discuss that in the future though, or you can start your own thread.

What do you think though? Does the left hate pride? Do you? Why?

[Blitzers]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I made literally none of those assertions, ever, and in fact did not even bring up 3 of those 4 topics

I didn't read your post, I was just fucking around man

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Blitzers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't read your post

i can tell

[Crypodosktorr]

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[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think liberals are much more pro pride than conservatives. Some of this is just a branding reality. Liberals can't say: "be proud to be gay, be proud if you are female, be proud if you are white!." White pride is unfortunately related a lot of ugly ethnic nationalist trends in our country.

In short, we encourage people to be proud to be black or whatever, because its much more likely someone would be ashamed of being black or gay or whatever. We don't need to remind people to be proud of being a white American -- because there really isn't any unjustified shame belonging to that group overall.

This is really a good point about liberal promotion of pride and prohibition on its expression. As I suggested earlier, it seems to me that those things aren't really worth being proud of because you didn't do anything to secure them. You are just born that way. Pride in circumstance just seems odd and I think many people feel the same even though they may not recognize it. I think that is why despite explicit displays of pride, many on the left do not appear to have pride. And that I believe is the source of my observation. There is a certain level of discontent or shame for one reason or another, so when they do not receive the recognition they feel they are due, or they encounter genuine pride in others they take it as arrogance or slight against them or some other nastiness.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Crypodosktorr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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That you Chabs?

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My assertion: it is literally a basic tenet of christianity that pride is the worst possible sin

I'm guessing you were raised Catholic? This and as you said most in the US are Christians, which I don't believe is true. Sure, many say they are, but many or most of those are involved in the Emergent one-world religion such as the pope hat is pushing. Like my nephews GF, she says she's a Christian, but really she's a trendy western buddhist. People try to mix and match a lot of different things, but that just makes something else.

But as far as "pride" goes, it's a catalyst, not a sin in itself. It's a wrapper for many things, and can be used in different ways. So, pride is usually associated with something, such as most any word that contains "self-" (excluding the word "-humility") can lead to a bad thing. You see where I'm going with that. So like, can you be proud of your Son without such pride being "sin"? Of course! I mean 'to be well pleased' is a form of pride, and if invested into someone else for the right reasons and proper measure, there is no dishonor.

As for the topic, imo ~90% of Democrats are full of self-pride, and become enraged if anyone else offends their pride by disagreeing with them or resisting their force to make you comply to their self-righteous self-appointed moral high-ground rules and laws they often create on the fly. So prepare to be tagged as a "-phobe" of some sort, as they make up a bunch of shite to smear you into some lowly shame box beneath them. Same goes for some Repubs, mainly those that seem to have much in common with the Dems and the left.

[Archalen]

First of all, depends what you're proud of.

Second of all, depends what behaviors the pride itself leads to.

Pride can have negative and positive outcomes.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm guessing you were raised Catholic? This and as you said most in the US are Christians, which I don't believe is true. Sure, many say they are, but many or most of those are involved in the Emergent one-world religion such as the pope hat is pushing. Like my nephews GF, she says she's a Christian, but really she's a trendy western buddhist. People try to mix and match a lot of different things, but that just makes something else.

But as far as "pride" goes, it's a catalyst, not a sin in itself. It's a wrapper for many things, and can be used in different ways. So, pride is usually associated with something, such as most any word that contains "self-" (excluding the word "-humility") can lead to a bad thing. You see where I'm going with that. So like, can you be proud of your Son without such pride being "sin"? Of course! I mean 'to be well pleased' is a form of pride, and if invested into someone else for the right reasons and proper measure, there is no dishonor.

As for the topic, imo ~90% of Democrats are full of self-pride, and become enraged if anyone else offends their pride by disagreeing with them or resisting their force to make you comply to their self-righteous self-appointed moral high-ground rules and laws they often create on the fly. So prepare to be tagged as a "-phobe" of some sort, as they make up a bunch of shite to smear you into some lowly shame box beneath them. Same goes for some Repubs, mainly those that seem to have much in common with the Dems and the left.

What people call themselves is the only valid definition for what religion people are. Anything else falls apart to scrutiny. example: If we use your version for who is and is not a Christian (which is that other people can tell them what religion they are), I'm fairly sure many other Christians (perhaps even a plurality in the US, given demographics) would affirm that you are something other than a Christian because you are stating that pride is not a sin when it has been considered a sin since before the Catholic church even existed. If you grant yourself the ability to judge whether or not a certain person is of a given faith, you open yourself up to the same scrutiny.

[big_ole_jpn]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What people call themselves is the only valid definition for what religion people are. Anything else falls apart to scrutiny. example: If we use your version for who is and is not a Christian (which is that other people can tell them what religion they are), I'm fairly sure many other Christians (perhaps even a plurality in the US, given demographics) would affirm that you are something other than a Christian because you are stating that pride is not a sin when it has been considered a sin since before the Catholic church even existed. If you grant yourself the ability to judge whether or not a certain person is of a given faith, you open yourself up to the same scrutiny.

nice post count 888, i suggest you never post again to maintain it