Socialized Medicine - Let's Discuss!

[Bazia]

as a US citizen I have zero issues with a free market healthcare system

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lune quoting Locke in a P99 thread, how about feeding pigs with caviar

Let's say i got a terminal disease. This disease has a cure. This cure costs something like 50 bucks to produce.

Now you're that company that sell the drug. And you sell it 10,000 bucks. The worst thing is, even if you know it's bullshit, you're gonna everything to find these 10,000 dollars, because it's either that or die.

Now if you think im exagerating things: not long in my own country a NGO called "medecins du monde" (doctors of the world) launch and ad campaign denouncing the margins practiced by big pharmaceutical companies. For example the margin on the leukemia cure is 20 000%. (whole website there, sorry it's in french: https://leprixdelavie.medecinsdumonde.org )

Now if you think it's okay, people making 20 000% margin betting on poor people will to live.. well, i don't want to be part of your world.

I pay a good chunk of my earning to get free healthcare, had to go to E/R not long ago, had full xrays and a free splint, plus one week of rest without losing any salary. I'm probably on the losing side since i'm still young and healthy, but don't care.

I actually remember seeing a good video about healthcare in the US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSjGouBmo0M

How 'bout you develop and produce your own drugs? Yeah?

[Bazia]

in fact i prefer the system where I'm not forced to pay for other irresponsible people's healthcare

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How 'bout you develop and produce your own drugs? Yeah?

Sanofi S.A. is a French multinational pharmaceutical company headquartered in Gentilly, France, as of 2013 the world's fifth-largest by prescription sales.

"hurr durr murica owns everything derp"

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That cost is most likely just a marginal production cost and doesn't include fixed costs of r & d, which is the big part of the price tag for pharmaceuticals. You also have to factor in all the failed drugs that were researched and not approved or just failures.

repeating the answer given by pharmaceutical lobbies eh ? r&d costs are overestimated and most of the time confidential, how convenient. Not even mentioning that in france at least, a good chunk of that r&d cost is financed by the government itself.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Jarnauga]

Last thing before i go to bed:

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42% of profit margin for Pfizer, the largest company. That r&d sure costs a lot.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in fact i prefer the system where I'm not forced to pay for other irresponsible people's healthcare

do you not know how insurance works?

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sanofi S.A. is a French multinational pharmaceutical company headquartered in Gentilly, France, as of 2013 the world's fifth-largest by prescription sales.

"hurr durr murica owns everything derp"



repeating the answer given by pharmaceutical lobbies eh ? r&d costs are overestimated and most of the time confidential, how convenient. Not even mentioning that in france at least, a good chunk of that r&d cost is financed by the government itself.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No, no, no, no. I mean YOU, not some amoral French or American businessman. Start an ethical pharmaceutical firm and make yourself affordable leukemia cures.

On a more serious note, how many years of R&D do you think went into that drug?
What role do you think dissociation of cost-benefit plays in the price?
What do you think happens when the patent expires?
Do you like apples?

[Bazia]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

do you not know how insurance works?

If my opinion differs from yours I must not understand the subject!

Good day sir

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If my opinion differs from yours I must not understand the subject!

Good day sir

opinions are different than knowledge. i did not comment on your opinion, i questioned your knowledge.

my good chum

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

opinions are different than knowledge. i did not comment on your opinion, i questioned your knowledge.

my good chum

Insurers don't force you to buy their products.