smoking age is 21 now in California

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Chaboo_Cleric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree, but I still don't agree with the age 21 dispute on alcohol and cigarettes.

I agree 21 is too high. it should have always been 18. You can go to war, have children,get married, vote, consent to having someone taken from life support but you cant decide if you want to drink or smoke. I always found it ironic that Edward Bernays had devoted the latter part of his life to anti-smoking campaigns seeing as he was instrumental in changing public perceptions of the taboo of female smokers.

Tobacco is really strange. The lobbying only protects the interest of the big tobacco corps that create literally poisonous products. Tobacco in its natural form isnt that bad and has been ascribed to some health benefits but the crap they mass produce is toxic. We recall faulty hand brakes but sell poison to people. I think tobacco should be decommercialized. People should be allowed to grow it or smoke it but I dont think we should allow the sale of it commercially.

Nazi Drs were the first to recognize a link between smoking and lung cancer and anti-tobacco movements were huge in Germany. They were the first ones to enact smoking bans in official buildings and such. Damn those evil Nazis trying to save people from lung cancer.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Originally Posted by Csihar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And yes:



If you use this wonderful product as intended you will become addicted. By definition that impedes your freedom.
You can be all short-sighted (and wrong) and simply write it off as "lol just will power it bruv".

Addiction is a normal thing in life. You can tote Hillary Clinton on her position against Vid Games. Just because something is addicting doesn't mean I need the government to make it more difficult to either A: Attain , or B: gouge me with taxes or C: Penalize me. There will be ramifications with the new 21 law to smoke in California. More harassment from Police ( to start) and the list goes on... This new " Underage smoking", in California is a big deal. Indefinitely, the state will make more money with this law, as oppose to just collecting the ginormous tax on cigarettes. Overall, if people want to smoke they are going to anyway. It's the same thing with drinking. I however, don't want the government playing Mommy and Daddy for me or anyone. The more government control and rule making, the less freedom we really have. That is a fact.

[myriverse]

The argument is likely the seeming illogic in the disparity between certain privileges afforded to and certain responsibilities demanded of them. If we're going to consider a person adult enough to serve life/death sentences, serve in the military, make babies and demand they support them, then there's no reason they shouldn't be able to abuse the eff out of their own bodies.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

People want the government to intervene with their problems. What they don't realize is they just stripped away more of their freedom with every involvement. They also line the pockets of these government officials and grow government to a bigger machine than it already is. People need to wake up. Government is not the answer to our problems.

[Csihar]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The argument is likely the seeming illogic in the disparity between certain privileges afforded to and certain responsibilities demanded of them. If we're going to consider a person adult enough to serve life/death sentences, serve in the military, make babies and demand they support them, then there's no reason they shouldn't be able to abuse the eff out of their own bodies.

That is something I can agree with entirely.

[barrettdc1]

IF THERE'S GRASS ON THE FIELD, PLAY BALL!

[Baler]

@OP Pot or Tobacco?

I smoked tobacco everyday when I was 16 till I was 21 at which point I quit when I started breathing heavy on simple shit and spitting up black/brown shit after showers.
Neither of my parents were smokers at all ever.

My point is that they can make any law they want. People will do what they want.

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

18 - old enough to join the military and kill (or be killed by) our enemies, but nope sorry, you're too young to smoke and drink.

This

[Jorgam]

Originally Posted by Chaboo_Cleric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

18 is classified as an adult. Not your simplistic ideology on the way you raised your kids pal

Nope. 26 is an adult now per Obamacare mandate. Democrats, the party of adult children!

[JurisDictum]

Maybe people shouldn't be put in combat situations until they are 21. The truth is though, they don't want you to do a lot of thinking when you are following orders and fighting. So the young men often work out fine.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Originally Posted by Jorgam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope. 26 is an adult now per Obamacare mandate. Democrats, the party of adult children!

Difference between a student and adult living with Mom and Dad. Course , you can sit there and draw up those beliefs based on a horrible health care notion.