The left has gone full retard

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bingo, the doubt. Does it lead to angst?

Initially, it can very much so, yes, especially with regards to indeterminate truths. Inevitably though, reasonable doubt leads to truth in every ordinary circumstance and as a bonus also avoids the loss of face associated with committal to falsehoods.

Now, while we can never be certain of a thing, we can at least be reasonably confident. It is also important to understand that when we have no way of knowing one way or another, there is little point fretting over something ^^ Japanese have a saying for situations like that: "shou ga nai", which basically means "there is nothing that can be done about it". It is a form of surrender that enables one to move passed situations they are powerless to resolve on their own. Once we come to understand and embrace that, doubt becomes rather comforting and encouraging.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the programs as they are implemented are crap not the idea of social programs.

Socialism is a very very very broad term. However, the window-lickers on this forum just label socialism as one bad thing to constantly guard against. The USA is a socialist country. Just about every country is a socialist country to some degree. It's a spectrum... and I'm not talking about the autism spectrum that Santa, Raev, and Daywolf are clearly deep into.

To say I like socialism is akin to saying yes, I like humanity and its ability to better itself through cooperative effort.

I never expressed a like for communism however. Communism is not a system designed for humans who are slaves to biological function. Just like Ayn Rand's version of libertarian doesn't take into account basic humanity.

Taxation is necessary it just needs to be put to better use. Taxation is best served improving the lives of the taxpayer, meaning education, infrastructure, health, and retirement. We don't need 600 billion dollars spent on the military especially since no sovereign country is going to attack us.

If you mean price controls as is preventing price gouging by companies with monopolies or near monopolies than yes that is necessary... Take pharmaceutical companies as an example.

Social reparations... assuming you mean racial reparations etc. I think its an idiotic term. Yes the USA did a bad thing... No I'm not responsible for that bad thing.
However, the end goal of the government should be the betterment of citizens lives. The solution to years of racism and slavery plus lack of societal and economic integration is not handing out a check. This solution isn't about race though its about all the disenfranchised or impoverished, education and reduction of poverty are the best means for the upward mobility of a social class.
The idea that everyone has equal chance to climb the socioeconomic ladder is a lame myth. People who grow up in poverty have very very limited resources to improve their lives.
An often un-thought of fact: If you want to save money on good a person who has access to cash can buy goods in bulk. I poor person living paycheck to paycheck has to buy at top prices always. Being poor is expensive.
In any case Companies are not job creators. Consumers are job creators, purchasing power is what makes jobs, and removing poverty is the best way to create jobs, increase wages, and improve quality of life for every citizen across economic classes.

Sorry, I didn't mean to misrepresent you with regard to communism. You had previously described communism as "utopian", which lead me to believe you held a favorable view of it, but I understand you were just describing it as it defines itself.

To me, everything else you shared sounds like extraordinarily moderate/centrist positions. Not all too surprising though ^^ Blinded by ideology I think that is generally the refuge of pragmatism. Reason and idiocy flourish throughout the political spectrum, though the former tends to be less common and the latter more common at the extremes.

I know you consider Hillary on the (your?) right, but who do you consider to be to your left? Who do you consider to be more or less where you are? Are there any American politicians? How about foreign politicians/governments?

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the programs as they are implemented are crap not the idea of social programs.

Socialism is a very very very broad term. However, the window-lickers on this forum just label socialism as one bad thing to constantly guard against. The USA is a socialist country. Just about every country is a socialist country to some degree. It's a spectrum... and I'm not talking about the autism spectrum that Santa, Raev, and Daywolf are clearly deep into.

To say I like socialism is akin to saying yes, I like humanity and its ability to better itself through cooperative effort.

I never expressed a like for communism however. Communism is not a system designed for humans who are slaves to biological function. Just like Ayn Rand's version of libertarian doesn't take into account basic humanity.

Taxation is necessary it just needs to be put to better use. Taxation is best served improving the lives of the taxpayer, meaning education, infrastructure, health, and retirement. We don't need 600 billion dollars spent on the military especially since no sovereign country is going to attack us.

If you mean price controls as is preventing price gouging by companies with monopolies or near monopolies than yes that is necessary... Take pharmaceutical companies as an example.

Social reparations... assuming you mean racial reparations etc. I think its an idiotic term. Yes the USA did a bad thing... No I'm not responsible for that bad thing.
However, the end goal of the government should be the betterment of citizens lives. The solution to years of racism and slavery plus lack of societal and economic integration is not handing out a check. This solution isn't about race though its about all the disenfranchised or impoverished, education and reduction of poverty are the best means for the upward mobility of a social class.
The idea that everyone has equal chance to climb the socioeconomic ladder is a lame myth. People who grow up in poverty have very very limited resources to improve their lives.
An often un-thought of fact: If you want to save money on good a person who has access to cash can buy goods in bulk. I poor person living paycheck to paycheck has to buy at top prices always. Being poor is expensive.
In any case Companies are not job creators. Consumers are job creators, purchasing power is what makes jobs, and removing poverty is the best way to create jobs, increase wages, and improve quality of life for every citizen across economic classes.

Guy talks about facts and semantics then comes in and redefines socialism a very specific economic theory as being some defacto state when people work together. Great job there. Says we dont need military spending because no one will attack us. No wonder your fucking guild tanked on red.

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bingo, the doubt. Does it lead to angst?

Why would society need to doubt itself in this post modern world of relativism? You act like society should doubt itself based on some morality which as a relativist you cannot define.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, I didn't mean to misrepresent you with regard to communism. You had previously described communism as "utopian", which lead me to believe you held a favorable view of it, but I understand you were just describing it as it defines itself.

To me, everything else you shared sounds like extraordinarily moderate/centrist positions. Not all too surprising though ^^ Blinded by ideology I think that is generally the refuge of pragmatism. Reason and idiocy flourish throughout the political spectrum, though the former tends to be less common and the latter more common at the extremes.

I know you consider Hillary on the (your?) right, but who do you consider to be to your left? Who do you consider to be more or less where you are? Are there any American politicians? How about foreign politicians/governments?

I don't know of a serious American politician on my left. I'm sure there are some.
I'm not familiar enough either foreign politicians

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guy talks about facts and semantics then comes in and redefines socialism a very specific economic theory as being some defacto state when people work together. Great job there. Says we dont need military spending because no one will attack us. No wonder your fucking guild tanked on red.

You realize that is what socialism is about right? Common good etc? It's not a redefinition. The idea is that the productive capacity of the many is greater than the few.

Guy is trying to compare geopolitics to an EQ pvp server. 'Nuff said.

However, for the sake of pinning you to an answer which country would dare attack the USA? I don't say we need no military spending we just don't need 600billion worth.
I wonder if you will ever actually answer a question.

Be warned if you answer China, be prepared for me to laugh at you. If you answer Russia, be prepared for me to laugh at you. If you answer Iran or North Korea be prepared for me to laugh at you and dismiss you as irrelevant in the future.

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know of a serious American politician on my left. I'm sure there are some.
I'm not familiar enough either foreign politicians



You realize that is what socialism is about right? Common good etc? It's not a redefinition. The idea is that the productive capacity of the many is greater than the few.

Guy is trying to compare geopolitics to an EQ pvp server. 'Nuff said.

However, for the sake of pinning you to an answer which country would dare attack the USA? I don't say we need no military spending we just don't need 600billion worth.
I wonder if you will ever actually answer a question.

Be warned if you answer China, be prepared for me to laugh at you. If you answer Russia, be prepared for me to laugh at you. If you answer Iran or North Korea be prepared for me to laugh at you and dismiss you as irrelevant in the future.

Socialism is very specific dude(control of the means of production by the state). You are just showing how full of BS you are. Im not a moron like you so I dont think in simplistic terms of 1 single enemy working alone attacking the US. Starting to doubt you were in the military at this point. Who cares about militarys. Rome wasnt defeated by a military it was defeated by importation of immigrants and over extension of its military,political infighting, and economic disaster caused by slavery.

[sOurDieSel]

Obama's Religion of Peace Rapugees Dindu Nuffins.

http://www.kivitv.com/news/twin-fall...danese-descent

5 year old little girl raped and pissed all over.

We can thank Obama, Hillary and all the libcucks out there who want to import these 3rd world savages to destroy America.

Enjoy the Diversity.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Socialism is very specific dude

It's actually not. Socialism exists along a spectrum just like capitalism. You probably deride Denmark, Japan, or Canada for being so "socialist", but do the workers own the means of production there? No. So you'd be using the term wrong too when people in the US want some of the concepts they have going in these places and you call them socialist.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Socialism is very specific dude(control of the means of production by the state). You are just showing how full of BS you are. Im not a moron like you so I dont think in simplistic terms of 1 single enemy working alone attacking the US. Starting to doubt you were in the military at this point. Who cares about militarys. Rome wasnt defeated by a military it was defeated by importation of immigrants and over extension of its military,political infighting, and economic disaster caused by slavery.

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Says we dont need military spending because no one will attack us.

Seems you care about the militarys?


So you retract your statement then? Please explain a realistic scenario where a "league of nations" attacks the USA. I'm waiting although it seems obvious you don't want to answer my question with your sidestep there at the end.

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's actually not. Socialism exists along a spectrum just like capitalism. You probably deride Denmark, Japan, or Canada for being so "socialist", but do the workers own the means of production there? No. So you'd be using the term wrong too when people in the US want some of the concepts they have going in these places and you call them socialist.

But Rush Limbaugh told me different!?!??!

[Redi]

Hey alarti, are you the guy that transfered to red and immediately got griefed off? Just wonderin, thanks in advance.