The left has gone full retard

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Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone here needs to watch this, for starters, to gain a better understanding of exactly why this quoted mentality is ridiculous and wrong.

Horrible video. Its ethics are inconsistent, and the first minute is filled with assumptions you see in the majority of leftist propaganda, specifically about sexism in this video. Also, it's futile to apply logic to rhetoric. That's the autistes' downfall. People (besides autistes) don't deduce that femfrequency implies gamers are sexual assailants. People have an emotional reaction to her rhetoric and either agree or disagree for non-rational reasons. Reasoning and truth aren't part of this process. You rarely hear feminists or leftists have honest conversations about the patriarchy and its empirical effects. Their rhetoric is primarily about my feels.

Here's how cultural marxists have worked for decades:

“Why are we here today?” she asked.
“To make revolution,” they answered.
“What kind of revolution?” she replied.
“The Cultural Revolution,” they chanted.
“And how do we make Cultural Revolution?” she demanded.
“By destroying the American family!” they answered.
“How do we destroy the family?” she came back.
“By destroying the American Patriarch,” they cried exuberantly.
“And how do we destroy the American Patriarch?” she replied.
“By taking away his power!”
“How do we do that?”
“By destroying monogamy!”
“How can we destroy monogamy?”
“By promoting promiscuity, eroticism, prostitution and homosexuality!”

That's from a meeting of 2nd wave feminists (the NOW) in 1969. And your modern feminists/SJWs are a far cry worse. You see this same rhetoric in other egalitarians e.g. wrt race. These people are enemies to civilization and need to be stopped with violent force.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just look at who gets cast in films and who owns the businesses, for starters.

Jewish people?

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They are the most privileged group in existence. That's what our culture has built and the long-standing misogyny and subtle (or not so subtle) modes of discrimination against minorities have directly held them down in comparison to this ruling class.

See, in saying this, you imply it's us doing all the holding down, making them work in the fields while we sit on the porch drinking sweet tea. How exactly have we held down Asians and Jews (in recent times)? Both those minorities outperform whites, and the latter is proportionately more represented in the "ruling class" than any other group. If you recognize that some cultures are able to thrive and reach parity with whites, then you necessarily cannot blame whitey for 100% of the inability of other cultures to thrive.

Additionally, what good does that statement do? Ok, 'whites' in general are born with enormous privilege. That's an incredibly racist statement. If you generalized any other trait to an entire group besides whites based on the color of their skin that would be a reprehensible fucking statement. The fact that you're targeting the 'ruling class' doesn't make bigotry suddenly okay, and it just shows you don't really dig into why bigotry is wrong in the first place. What about all the whites who grew up in abusive drug-filled impoverished households with parents and communities who didn't care? What happens when they somehow manage to beat the odds and go to college, only to be told to check their privilege?

The only type of judgments we should be making are those based on individual character and for which we have evidence. Applying systematic judgments to a group based on an unconnected trait is wrong. It's wrong when we do it to white people, and it's wrong when we do it to black people. Even if we know a certain culture tends to have certain behaviors, cognitions, and traits, it's still a character evaluation, not a skin-color evaluation.

[Pokesan]

culture is a magic word that allows you to say all racial inequality is their(usually black people) own fault without having to get beaten up for your awful opinion.

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

culture is a magic word that allows you to say all racial inequality is their(usually black people) own fault without having to get beaten up for your awful opinion.

Pokesan is not a race realist. He thinks everyone is the same. Please don't become a Dr you will get someone killed.

This is an interesting clip from a documentary about the Chinese mining operations in Africa. This is a 2 min clip of a Chinese dude basically laying it out to the African blacks.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=285_1460621843

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[Lune]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

culture is a magic word that allows you to say all racial inequality is their(usually black people) own fault without having to get beaten up for your awful opinion.

It's your inability to separate the two concepts that's awful, and your willingness to frame this in reductive, black and white thinking. I've never claimed "all racial inequality" comes from culture, just that racism doesn't tell the whole story and culture is probably a larger factor, and it explains so much about these concepts.

Culture affects a person profoundly, down to the way the prefrontal cortex is wired (which governs many processes critical to ethics and social function).

Explain, for example, how Jewish populations have managed to be so successful for thousands of years in spite of slavery, persecution, expulsion, exclusion, and extermination. Thousands of years of 'racism', yet they always come out on top. Is there an explanation besides culture? I can't think of one. And if culture can at least partially account for their success, then why can't it explain hardships among other groups?

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's your inability to separate the two concepts that's awful, and your willingness to frame this in reductive, black and white thinking. I've never claimed "all racial inequality" comes from culture, just that racism doesn't tell the whole story and culture is probably a larger factor, and it explains so much about these concepts.

Culture affects a person profoundly, down to the way the prefrontal cortex is wired (which governs many processes critical to ethics and social function).

Explain, for example, how Jewish populations have managed to be so successful for thousands of years in spite of slavery, persecution, expulsion, exclusion, and extermination. Thousands of years of 'racism', yet they always come out on top. Is there an explanation besides culture? I can't think of one. And if culture can at least partially account for their success, then why can't it explain hardships among other groups?

Also the very racism practiced by Jews themselves could in part have lead to some of their cultural success. Their culture is very insular and heavily influenced by racial and cultural reasoning.

[Archalen]

Originally Posted by Jorgam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if a white person was up there saying I'm nervous to get up here because there are so many blacks in the crowd, that wouldn't be racist? If a white person stood up there and said you probably don't know these "facts" simply because of the color of your skin to blacks, that wouldn't be racist? I guess it is not racist because she is a bi hispanic female leftist and that reduces it to just being offensive..

Any time someone says something like this about white people, just insert any other type of person that isn't white, say it again and then decide if it sounds like racism or hate speech. Same goes for straight males. The only group legally allowed to be discriminated against and hated publicaly.

I know what the implications are of what I said. That's why I refrain from calling Donald Trump racist, because his supporters are often right when they say that his statements aren't technically racist. If you take superiority out of the equation and make it a thing about generalizing through race, then a lot more comments (including hers) become racist. And if that's a sufficient qualifier for racism then racial profiling in of itself is definitely racist.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jewish people?



See, in saying this, you imply it's us doing all the holding down, making them work in the fields while we sit on the porch drinking sweet tea. How exactly have we held down Asians and Jews (in recent times)? Both those minorities outperform whites, and the latter is proportionately more represented in the "ruling class" than any other group. If you recognize that some cultures are able to thrive and reach parity with whites, then you necessarily cannot blame whitey for 100% of the inability of other cultures to thrive.

Additionally, what good does that statement do? Ok, 'whites' in general are born with enormous privilege. That's an incredibly racist statement. If you generalized any other trait to an entire group besides whites based on the color of their skin that would be a reprehensible fucking statement. The fact that you're targeting the 'ruling class' doesn't make bigotry suddenly okay, and it just shows you don't really dig into why bigotry is wrong in the first place. What about all the whites who grew up in abusive drug-filled impoverished households with parents and communities who didn't care? What happens when they somehow manage to beat the odds and go to college, only to be told to check their privilege?

The only type of judgments we should be making are those based on individual character and for which we have evidence. Applying systematic judgments to a group based on an unconnected trait is wrong. It's wrong when we do it to white people, and it's wrong when we do it to black people. Even if we know a certain culture tends to have certain behaviors, cognitions, and traits, it's still a character evaluation, not a skin-color evaluation.

What people are actually saying is: its best to have white skin in America currently. The sooner you all stop inanely arguing with this fucking obviously true point, the sooner they will shut up and move on to something else.

They found that when they introduced groups of privileged people to information about their privileged -- the reaction is defensive. They start thinking about all the ways in their individual life that they were not privileged. Look at Mitt Romney attempt to deal with the assertion he was privileged. He action got on stage with his wife and tried to argue he didn't have it that good!

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's your inability to separate the two concepts that's awful, and your willingness to frame this in reductive, black and white thinking. I've never claimed "all racial inequality" comes from culture, just that racism doesn't tell the whole story and culture is probably a larger factor, and it explains so much about these concepts.

Culture affects a person profoundly, down to the way the prefrontal cortex is wired (which governs many processes critical to ethics and social function).

Explain, for example, how Jewish populations have managed to be so successful for thousands of years in spite of slavery, persecution, expulsion, exclusion, and extermination. Thousands of years of 'racism', yet they always come out on top. Is there an explanation besides culture? I can't think of one. And if culture can at least partially account for their success, then why can't it explain hardships among other groups?

Doubling down aside, is there anything useful that can be done by making the distinction?

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What people are actually saying is: its best to have white skin in America currently. The sooner you all stop inanely arguing with this fucking obviously true point, the sooner they will shut up and move on to something else.

They found that when they introduced groups of privileged people to information about their privileged -- the reaction is defensive. They start thinking about all the ways in their individual life that they were not privileged. Look at Mitt Romney attempt to deal with the assertion he was privileged. He action got on stage with his wife and tried to argue he didn't have it that good!

Privilege is a relative term. It is relative to the culture and race. Would I be privileged as a white in Japan or China? I get that was your point sort of but you tried to make this solely about whites and america as if that is a bad thing. Also the notion that its best to be white "currently" is changing. Mostly because of suicidal altruism on the part of whites. A sort of cultural nihilism. The thing is you cant recognize your own bias. If we were talking about native Chinese becoming a minority in their own country the left would be throwing benefits and galas to "Save the Chinese" but because it is whites being overthrown demographically you stand there cheering it on.