Bad Apples in Dozekar

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by XDrake [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In all my years of raiding in Classic EQ and the little I've done here with Sap at no point did I ever see somebody planning to train. Sure, Classic EQ was a nightmare where groups would have LGUK unplayable due to train wars.

Raid guilds buy into a mindset of, "Hey... Other guild trained. To remain competitive I therefore must train too."

But where does that logic stop? Pretty soon it is, "They are using ShowEQ, we better too!"

I like P99 too much for that. And if I see it I'll call you out for it like I did that night. If I can't get into a raiding guild later because of that I'm cool. :P

I don't know what to tell you, then. You must have played on the test server. I used to be a raid leader for one of the top 3 raid guilds on my (blue) server, and in NToV, the first hour of any raid consisted of each guild mounting thinly veiled trains on the other two. As long as you were artful enough about it to not flop a monk in another guild's camp, the GMs didn't care. So nobody cried about it -- part of raiding was absorbing trains by competitor guilds. And things are hardly cleaner on this server. The GMs care more about enforcing play nice policies, but you've still had officers, leaders, and long-term members of both DA and IB suspended for training each other -- so it's not like it hasn't carried over to P99, even if penalties are harsher.

But more importantly, nobody even trained anybody in this situation. It was just a guildie telling his other guildies that he was going to "help Guild B fear their mobs." I play a rogue. I would routinely joke in guildchat about dragging the corpses of my guild's competition onto the nut-sack of Cazic Thule / Nagafen / Trak / Vindi / Vyemm as I voluntarily helped them CR. I never actually did it, and luckily, everyone understood that I was kidding around -- or at least, as guildies of mine, they gave me the benefit of the doubt and waited to see before acting offended. I'm betting 90% chance your guildie never would've actually trained them, and 10% chance that if he did, everyone would be done being butt-hurt about it within an hour.

The fact that nobody actually did anything makes this whole post completely meaningless, though.

[XDrake]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know what to tell you, then. You must have played on the test server. I used to be a raid leader for one of the top 3 raid guilds on my (blue) server, and in NToV, the first hour of any raid consisted of each guild mounting thinly veiled trains on the other two. As long as you were artful enough about it to not flop a monk in another guild's camp, the GMs didn't care. So nobody cried about it -- part of raiding was absorbing trains by competitor guilds. And things are hardly cleaner on this server. The GMs care more about enforcing play nice policies, but you've still had officers, leaders, and long-term members of both DA and IB suspended for training each other -- so it's not like it hasn't carried over to P99, even if penalties are harsher.

That is a lot of words you used there to just go, "Training is fine!"

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But more importantly, nobody even trained anybody in this situation.

Yeah, because I made it clear it wasn't cool. Furthmore, it gives good warning of what really happened if these same people are suspiciously around when a training occurs.

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was just a guildie telling his other guildies that he was going to "help Guild B fear their mobs."

Did you even read what it said?

"They know were (we're) going to train them haha"

So, are you blind or retarded?

[Redriot]

The tags for this thread had me lulzing. Didn't even have to read a single word in the thread to know this was legit. "Dozekar breaks shit", "Dozekar raid...lol" "Jenni the Skank" lulz "www.tmo.homoguild"

[Droxx]

wait so you mean a naked ogre named running 15 mobs into TMO's camp at WW 30 seconds after we zone in wasn't an accident? who would have thunk it?

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Droxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wait so you mean a naked ogre named running 15 mobs into TMO's camp at WW 30 seconds after we zone in wasn't an accident? who would have thunk it?

Just a little disclaimer: I know very little about this situation and don't want to get personally involved (rather I just want something clarified so that there's actually less drama) - but what I do know is that the situation in question was screenshotted and posted in IRC, and I couldn't help seeing from the screenshot that the person training (wasn't it some Ogre named "Iseeyou" or something silly like that?) wasn't tagged. Granted there was definitely a huge train being shown in the screenshot, but how do you know that it was done by dozekar or whatever other guild was in fear? For example, a few months ago there was a situation where someone trained the shit out of fear, but it was well known that the person wasn't associated with any guild.

Just a thought - not trying to piss anyone off or get on anyone's bad side.

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For example, a few months ago there was a situation where someone trained the shit out of fear, but it was well known that the person wasn't associated with any guild.

Just a thought - not trying to piss anyone off or get on anyone's bad side.

Snitches get stitches bro

[burkemi5]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just a little disclaimer: I know very little about this situation and don't want to get personally involved (rather I just want something clarified so that there's actually less drama) - but what I do know is that the situation in question was screenshotted and posted in IRC, and I couldn't help seeing from the screenshot that the person training (wasn't it some Ogre named "Iseeyou" or something silly like that?) wasn't tagged. Granted there was definitely a huge train being shown in the screenshot, but how do you know that it was done by dozekar or whatever other guild was in fear? For example, a few months ago there was a situation where someone trained the shit out of fear, but it was well known that the person wasn't associated with any guild.

Just a thought - not trying to piss anyone off or get on anyone's bad side.

don't even try... it makes your head hurt

[Nivar Quartz]

Originally Posted by XDrake [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look... You got called out for your people acting wrong. Why don't you act like a man, pick up your balls, and go, "Fuck. Guess we did. So what?" Or do something about it. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] 50 has been a long time coming!

lol Did u just threaten me on a website? U mad bro?

[Brad_mo123]

Originally Posted by XDrake [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most are good folks. However, this is unacceptable.

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Ok....? So what does this tell us that we do not already know? If you did not already know this about them then you have been living under one hell of a heavy rock.

[ryuut1]

grow up and gtfo out of my guild, you puts. have you even been to a raid where another guild hasn't stolen a mob or trained? it's the way this world of norrath works, so take your A&F Ball-Lovin apparel wearin ass and guildremove before i have to log on and do it for you.