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[Jomama]

Hi Phragmar,

I just wanted to say that I'm sorry you're upset that your friend lost the AC camp. Also Snump was not really a part of our group so please don't hold a grudge against him. Anyways I hope you guys do not hate us or VD, dieing always sucks and the AC camp tends to be very competitive as well as full of drama. We finally got the ring after 12 long hours! Take care and good luck everyone.

~Jomama Sonice

[Rhodes]

Part of claiming and holding a camp means being able to do so without dying, is this incorrect?

[Rais]

I wouldn't say anything if I lost a camp or kill area if I died and someone else moved in. It's happened at Lord/King/Frenzy/Sage while I played Truegem, and I dragged my body away like a dumbass enchanter and moved on.

I've seen it happen to Kaushi in mistmoore, I've seen it happen to myself, and other guild members. It happens, if you can't keep a camp because you died, it's on you. It sucks.

If my guild members didn't train him, dispell root/snare, or some other dick move. I really can't come down on them. From reading what happened, dude was dead. It's fair game.

I'm pretty sure any guild on this server that raids has dealt with me in fear/hate,know I'm pretty fair. I've helped make raiding zones a lot better between guilds and less of the bullshit that use to go down. So if there is other issues at hand about my guild members, just let me know.I'll take care of it.

[shuklak]

that's unfortuante...

in a game like this, everyones fun and good times will live and die according to the strength of the community. make no mistake about it.

[Nocte]

If the enchanter was high-level, and he died in SRo (and the AC didn't spawn), what killed him? How does a high-level character (a chanter, no less) die in South Ro to anything that spawns in the zone (other than AC)?

[girth]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not really a triggered spawn either, although you'll have "you kill a puma at 6:04am and then yada yada" theorists. Wasting everything in sight works just as well, imo.

I'm sorry that is just plain wrong. You know it. I know it. Anybody who isn't an idiot and has camped SRO AC knows it.

He has 1...count em...1 PH. This PH can be a number of different mobs. The problem is that 3 different PH's spawn on the same spot and walk the same path at the same time basically(not step in step). You can determine which it is by respawn times. It's the long one...

[girth]

I also find it kind of 'humerous' that humerox went from being one of the jerks who kept frenzy to themselves by handing it off to each other for like weeks using the corpse bank exploit to the guy who isn't selfish and doesn't care about loot.

[Hoggen]

Originally Posted by Nocte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the enchanter was high-level, and he died in SRo (and the AC didn't spawn), what killed him? How does a high-level character (a chanter, no less) die in South Ro to anything that spawns in the zone (other than AC)?

The AC in so ro is a joke. It's nowhere near as strong as OOT. It's much weaker than an SG. You can camp it around 35 solo as a caster of any class, but you will have a hell of a time surviving a triple SG pop if you get unlucky ( people can kill your PHs at bad times and have everything spawn at once on top of you while you are trying to kill one mob).

The mob spawns in exactly one spot. To claim it and have best chance of being first agro, you really have to sit ON the spot. I've had people try to sit there invisibly and get the agro before me. Most people, however, sit up the dune face.

[Bubbles]

I also find it amusing that the reason this thread came to be was some lowbie was pissed no one in Sro was handing out clarity anymore, and decided to rage in the name of honor, valor, and camp rules.

I mean, really?

[Phragmar]

EDIT: TLDR; if this post is too long for you, don't bother reading it and don't bother responding.

This is going to be my last substantive post on this thread, barring a direct question or attack, since I think it has gone as far as it can (or should), and even if my original intention wasn't to go in an RnF direction, some of the replies have definitely gone farther that way than I would have anticipated without more experience with the forum community (which I have learned today is not at all to be confused with the actual in-game community, probably fortunately).

EDIT: Apparently there's no way to gracefully bow out of this thread, even though I don't think it can do much more in the way of being productive, but I'd rather not sit idly by while people speculate and slander, either.

First of all, to clear up a few things:
1. I've played EQ before--classic--a lot. Druid by the name of Demoree on Innoruuk had most of my time--ended up I think just inside of level 52 before I quit right after PoP was released. I'm new to the server, not the game.
2. I realize (or believe, if you prefer) people are naturally evil. Read Hobbes, got the t-shirt, etc. I contend, however, that that innate human tendency toward selfishness can be overcome.

Jomama, I told you when you took the camp that your behavior disgusted me, and it still does. I said all I wish to say to you then.

maegi, Humerox, soup, thanks for your responses; you have given me the best possible reassurance that reason and decency is not lost on everyone, and your presence in the community has been the strongest motivation I've had to stick around since the incident happened.

Most importantly, I want to spell out something clearly, since I've been pretty subtle about it before, and that's why I had the mistaken hope that the server population would understand why they should be kind to each other. Yes, I'm new here; I don't expect to have the weight of someone who has been playing on this server since it came up, but I can still appeal to common sense, and this is the crux of why the incident got to me. I also don't want to sound too patronizing if I can help it; I'm sure that everybody here who cares about the server's sustainability already knows all this and has spent enough time thinking about it for it to have already sunk in--but if you claim to care about the server and still treat people badly, maybe it hasn't:

This server has 738 clients connected right now--9:54 PM Eastern time (US) on a Wednesday night. I don't think I would be out of line to say that at least five or ten of them are bots that the devs haven't caught up to yet, and that's assuming staff is doing a stand-up job of controlling that, but maybe it's being optimistic. If you're playing EQ on P1999, you have, let's say for sake of argument, 700 people available to play with you. That's people to group with, guild with, raid with, talk to, compete with, and otherwise populate the server so you're not playing EQ by yourself. I'd like to think we can all agree that playing EQ solo all the time is a horrifying prospect and boring as hell. Even if you solo to level or farm or whatever, having other people around is what makes the game what it is. So 700. That's all. And they're not all your level. Some of them are your class, some of them are classes you don't want in your group/raid/guild/whatever, some of them are noobs who you're afraid would get you killed, and yes, alas, some of them are total asshats who you want to ignore as best you can.

If one of them leaves because you were a dick to him, you have 699. If twenty of them leave because you and four friends made the game unenjoyable for them, you have 680. If a few small guilds leave because they're overwhelmed and denied access to content because your guild has a policy of being inconsiderate, you have 600 (I'm not alleging any of this; it's hypothetical). Do you see where I'm going here? If your policy is to serve yourself at the expense of courtesy or consideration to the other gamers on the server, they will leave, and eventually the only thing left will be people who are also self-serving and loot-centric. At that point the server is dead. EQ is a wonderful game and a fantastic experience even despite the presence of douchebags on any given server, but every person's tolerance for bullshit has a limit. Why would I want to play a game, even a great game like EQ, if the only people left to play it with are pricks who would jack a camp I've held for 12 hours if I die and it takes me 60 seconds to get back to it?

That's why I expected the community as a whole to be special: because I thought that everyone understood the consequences of being cruel to other people on a server with a small population, and the fact that there aren't many other people on the server to go around. You can't afford to run them off.

Bubbles: Rilen would have still given me clarity, because he's cool like that. Thought you should know.

Also, for karsten and Rhodes and their ilk: Haters gonna hate. Maybe this thread came off a little more rantish than I originally intended, but I know a troll when I see one.

What happened between the members of VD and Rilen was wrong. That's the long and short of it. It was legal (legal, at least if the camp meets the definition of a camp under the server rules, and since I haven't seen any staff interpretation on the definition or application to this particular area of the game world, I'm not prepared to take a position on that), but what happened was fundamentally unjust. That means something to me.

If it doesn't mean anything to you, or you think I'm taking it too personally, or you'd rather make snide jokes, flame, add insulting tags or responses to me or the other side, or any other excuse you have to not actually consider the principle of what I'm saying, then I'm willing to venture at this point that you're exactly the person who needs to take a step back and actually think about it, regardless of which side you think was in the right. The way we feel about the people we play games with (whether we think they're jerks or they're just obstacles in the way of our advancement) matters, and if you think a video game isn't an appropriate forum for issues of justice versus law or human nature, you're already behind.

Peace and safety.