Are you kidding me?

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

anon already admitted they don't have the keys for VP.

Pretty sure that's exactly what they're working on right now. You're saying they shouldn't be able to contest anything in Velious til they're fully VP keyed? So once they're all keyed they can contest? Or do they have to kill a dragon first? Multiple dragons? All of them? How many times each?

Just wanna be clear on what arbitrary bullshit barriers to entry we're talking about.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure that's exactly what they're working on right now. You're saying they shouldn't be able to contest anything in Velious til they're fully VP keyed? So once they're all keyed they can contest? Or do they have to kill a dragon first? Multiple dragons? All of them? How many times each?

Just wanna be clear on what arbitrary bullshit barriers to entry we're talking about.

What barriers at entry? my argument is with them saying its too much work so they don't bother but then demanding everyone else cater to them not wanting to do the work. There is no barrier to compete in ToV, there wasn't a barrier before and there isn't one now. The only "barrier" apparently is that you or your guild doesn't have enough crowns to compete. So yet again, those with the items are forced not to use them, due to those unwilling to put forth the effort to get them.

The only barriers that were in place "restricting" ToV were those barriers implemented by the casual guilds. The same excuses they used to get the rules changed to racing, are the same excuses they used to convince themselves that they have some right to ToV without having to put forth as much effort as others.

[Mistle]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I literally said in the next line that I never soloed trak, I have tracked him though so yes, on the kills I was there tracking and one of the first 10 cothed, yes, it was partly because of me.

So actually, unlike what you said before, it is not because you are BETTER than other guilds, but because you can afford to put in the time to track 16 hours of variance with a ready raid force?

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I got my VP key in a guild that was still actively going after trak for keys to get into VP yes, indignation to be specific. So where is that gear advantage you were talking about? I got my key in indignation when we killed trak with 20 people.

And the story changes. First its 16, now its 20, and its not during the top guilds fighting to hold other guilds down. Interesting.

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know where I said I personally deserve anything.

Yet you seem completely comfortable in saying that people in other guilds don't, despite not doing anything any better than them. Also interesting.

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was nothing but another warm body for the people who had been here for years to use when I joined AM.

You still are.

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you just apparently have the comprehension of a liberal.

That is pretty funny. However, in truth, the proper analogy isn't that "casuals are filthy liberals", it's that you and other warm body newcomers are like the grandchildren of Rockefeller, rich because of the accomplishments of those who came before you, but completely immaterial to the process of ever becoming so. You're one of those who was put on third base because you joined a guild, and think you hit a triple. There is no one more undeservedly entitled than that, "liberal" or not.

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is however pretty eye opening seeing how upset this game makes you. Perhaps you should take a step back and find a better direction to take your life.

Projection at its finest.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So actually, unlike what you said before, it is not because you are BETTER than other guilds, but because you can afford to put in the time to track 16 hours of variance with a ready raid force?

And the story changes. First its 16, now its 20, and its not during the top guilds fighting to hold other guilds down. Interesting.

Yet you seem completely comfortable in saying that people in other guilds don't, despite not doing anything any better than them. Also interesting.

You still are.

That is pretty funny. However, in truth, the proper analogy isn't that "casuals are filthy liberals", it's that you and other warm body newcomers are like the grandchildren of Rockefeller, rich because of the accomplishments of those who came before you, but completely immaterial to the process of ever becoming so. You're one of those who was put on third base because you joined a guild, and think you hit a triple. There is no one more undeservedly entitled than that, "liberal" or not.

Projection at its finest.

Where did I say it was because one guild was "better" that they deserved to be in ToV and the other doesn't?

16 is the lowest I have personally killed trak with, however when I got my VP key it was with a 20 person raid while in indignation. Try to keep up kiddo

I am completely comfortable in saying that if you don't put forth the same amount of effort you have no room to complain when you don't receive the same results. Its called life kid. As I stated, the amount of effort I have been able to put into this game the last few months has been negligible compared to what I was able to do when I started. I haven't bid on anything in months because I don't feel I deserve it, funny how that works. If I am willing to put in 14 hours tracking something and still have a real life, why cant anon, BDA, or CSG?

Except unlike some other "warm bodies" I will face track for 14 hours straight when I have nothing better to do.

I am not so deluded to think that I didn't skip steps in the raid scene on this server. I joined indignation which soon after merged with asgard, however I left asgard with some other indignation members to join forsaken. I have never claimed anything other than that, no matter how much you want to think I have.

Projecting, as I have stated I haven't even bid for an item in months, so why would missing targets make me upset? I couldn't be any less upset about what goes on, on this server. no matter how much you wish it was the opposite, you're obviously the only one getting upset here.

[Freakish]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

embarrassing posts

Really don't care what someone sucking on a butt plug has to say.

[Mistle]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where did I say it was because one guild was "better" that they deserved to be in ToV and the other doesn't?

You shouldn't be able to restrict crowns just because you're guild isn't good enough

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

16 is the lowest I have personally killed trak with, however when I got my VP key it was with a 20 person raid while in indignation. Try to keep up kiddo

Not having any trouble staying well ahead of you. Just getting you to admit you're still standing on the shoulders of others.

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am completely comfortable in saying that if you don't put forth the same amount of effort

Hey as long as I get you to admit its actually just the ability to track for sixteen hours and win FTEs with items that your guild gained while you were not even on the server, thats all that really matters. You seem laughably obsessed with calling other people "liberals" like it's an insult for anything beyond to matter, lol.

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you have no room to complain when you don't receive the same results.

On the contrary people put in plenty of effort, but cannot match much larger guilds manpower.

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its called life kid.

This is life to you? It's a game to me. Interesting.

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Projecting, as I have stated I haven't even bid for an item in months, so why would missing targets make me upset? I couldn't be any less upset about what goes on, on this server. no matter how much you wish it was the opposite, you're obviously the only one getting upset here.

Not even remotely. You don't read people very well at all. Heh.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not having any trouble staying well ahead of you. Just getting you to admit you're still standing on the shoulders of others.

Hey as long as I get you to admit its actually just the ability to track for sixteen hours and win FTEs with items that your guild gained while you were not even on the server, thats all that really matters. You seem laughably obsessed with calling other people "liberals" like it's an insult for anything beyond to matter, lol.

On the contrary people put in plenty of effort, but cannot match much larger guilds manpower.

This is life to you? It's a game to me. Interesting.

Not even remotely. You don't read people very well at all. Heh.

Keep thinking that, I guess. I very specifically admitted that when I joined the raid scene I wasn't familiar with it. However when you spend 8+ months raiding at the top level you do start to become familiar with it.

Where did I ever claim or infer anything different? The liberal part comes from you obvious need to spin what someone says until it points in the direction you want it to. Keep arguing points I am not trying to make then blaming me for everything wrong in your life.

The idea that, what you get depends on what you put in, applies to life the same way it does to getting results in a 15 year old elf simulator. I am sorry that the connection is too hard for you to comprehend.

If a guild isn't good enough to put forth the effort to compete at the level others do, why do they deserve the same chance at getting pixels? Meaning if their members are not willing to put forth the effort to get the loot they want then why should it just be given to them?

As proven by what? another probably butt hurt BDA member? I am sorry that your guild isn't willing to put forth the effort that others do, but I am sure one of the two guilds who do put forth the effort are accepting applications

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He didn't. He was talking to the obnoxious anon troll about how it's weird that people associate you more with Rampage now instead of A-team. Kinda like how, years ago, you said it was weird seeing me in TMO instead of fighting with the anti-TMO side like I had been so long.

You're still A-team to me.

You'll always be FE scum to me. <3

[bspa0700]

Originally Posted by xexbis0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please inform me who the Asgardian tracking heroes are compared to those that were putting in the time from Forsaken. Warm bodies that respond to batphones are great and all, but let's not act as if that's the hard part. Nalken, Gimp, Fifield...y'all don't have anyone anywhere near the same stratosphere of those 3.

Guilds fail and succeed on the strength of their trackers (now racers).

Then of course there's this little fun tidbit from your merger:

Guild Leader: Detoxx
Second in Command: Reep

But, yes, I'm sure Forsaken would completely agree that this was a marriage of equals and also call me completely misinformed.

You don't know as much about us as you think you do.

[Mistle]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keep thinking that, I guess. I very specifically admitted that when I joined the raid scene I wasn't familiar with it. However when you spend 8+ months raiding at the top level you do start to become familiar with it.

So? Does being familiar with it make you better than line member #6437?

So far all you've established is you think you're better than others because you can afford to spend fourteen hours tracking. You kinda embody why so many people look at the people in the endgame of this server like they are the guy from the WoW south park episode.

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where did I ever claim or infer anything different? The liberal part comes from you obvious need to spin what someone says until it points in the direction you want it to. Keep arguing points I am not trying to make then blaming me for everything wrong in your life.

More funny stuff. Lol.

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Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The idea that, what you get depends on what you put in, applies to life the same way it does to getting results in a 15 year old elf simulator. I am sorry that the connection is too hard for you to comprehend.

Hey you just admitted you think P99 is life, I'm not gonna be too worried about what you think is too hard for me to comprehend any time soon. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a guild isn't good enough to put forth the effort to compete at the level others do, why do they deserve the same chance at getting pixels? Meaning if their members are not willing to put forth the effort to get the loot they want then why should it just be given to them?

Of course not a single person has asked for anything to be given to them, but hey, keep beating that strawman to death! I do find it odd that you somehow believe that because you're off the spectrum of neckbeardiness that means no one else should get *anything*...

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As proven by what? another probably butt hurt BDA member? I am sorry that your guild isn't willing to put forth the effort that others do, but I am sure one of the two guilds who do put forth the effort are accepting applications

Yep, follow you, right? Get into one of em and get carried all the way up. Does the ego to believe you had anything to do with it come free or is it installed later?