ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[AenorVZ]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The show at this point just seems lazy and poorly written.

We're beyond seems.

[AenorVZ]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My biggest problem with the Dornish story, like the fAegon story, is that we start to see it in book 4/5. That leads me to believe that they're either filler or GRRM lost his mind.

I don't think there's any question that Martin is victim to some of the same compulsion to create further sprawl in his story that Robert Jordan was subject to. Now, I have no information, but I suspect that the Dorne plot was planned out long in advance, not tacked on to the end. It strikes me as something like Silmarillion where it was part of the overarching mythology.

But Martin made an editorial decision to concentrate the story arc on what are considered the main characters in the first three books. Now, I won't lie, I think he put his best effort into those three books and, if he had Dorne outlined, he probably didn't have it planned in great detail.

[JurisDictum]

This book has gotten so damn popular, its hard to keep plot twists hidden. Only like what...maybe 5% of readers would have honestly picked up on that Jon Snow being Jon Targaryen? Now damn near everyone that has read the books knows, and you can tell by his interviews that he thought about changing it based on that (maybe he did).

A problem he spoke openly about was trying to get Danny in Westeroes in a way that seemed natural and not weirdly forced. Honestly I think it's going to be a lot easyer to untie this maraneeze knot in the books than in the show. The show is going to have to modify things a lot based on what they already changed.

[Sirken]

so im here with my nerdpal Keith, and he just suggested that on the show Mel could sacrifice herself to rezz Jon. what do you pals think on that? could that be how the red woman gets sent off?

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so im here with my nerdpal Keith, and he just suggested that on the show Mel could sacrifice herself to rezz Jon. what do you pals think on that? could that be how the red woman gets sent off?

On the show that could very well be what that ending scene with her was about. Possible foreshadowing by showing people she is very old, preparing us a little bit for her loss. Why else take so much time to show us her true age in a closing sequence in what is just about the final season of the show...

[Mandalore93]

The lightning lord did sacrifice himself to bring back the wolf bitch.

And Doran is stupid. I'm not at my computer right now so I can't run down how his plan is silly beyond what I already did

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On the show that could very well be what that ending scene with her was about. Possible foreshadowing by showing people she is very old, preparing us a little bit for her loss. Why else take so much time to show us her true age in a closing sequence in what is just about the final season of the show...

My first thought was she was laying down to die. After seeing these posts this morning, I went back and watched the trailers, and I think we've seen every Mel snippet they shared. So we could be headed there. She has to serve some purpose other than sabotaging the Baratheon family (Jon).

I'm not a fan of the Red God resurrection theories and forecasts. I think Jon comes back more, not less. And anways, Mel seriously needs a pick me up. She's more than depressed, she's losing or lost her faith. Notice that she's been bundling up, wearing cloaks, crawling under fur covers? Her mojo is tanking. Davos going to fix that?

[Mandalore93]

Originally Posted by holahouze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

She has to serve some purpose other than sabotaging the Baratheon family (Jon).

Unless this is hot off the press, cutting edge tinfoil then Jon isn't related to the Baratheons except through like a great-great-great-great grandmother.

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by Mandalore93 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless this is hot off the press, cutting edge tinfoil then Jon isn't related to the Baratheons except through like a great-great-great-great grandmother.

Ha! You know what i meant. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by holahouze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My first thought was she was laying down to die. After seeing these posts this morning, I went back and watched the trailers, and I think we've seen every Mel snippet they shared. So we could be headed there. She has to serve some purpose other than sabotaging the Baratheon family (Jon).

I'm not a fan of the Red God resurrection theories and forecasts. I think Jon comes back more, not less. And anways, Mel seriously needs a pick me up. She's more than depressed, she's losing or lost her faith. Notice that she's been bundling up, wearing cloaks, crawling under fur covers? Her mojo is tanking. Davos going to fix that?

Said it before, Red God resurrection for Jon is bad captain obvious writing (I don't care if the Red God is associated with the Targaeryans (sp don't care) and its Jon Targaryens true religion, that doesn't save this at all for me). Why doesn't it work for me on the show is because of "LOOK LOL RED PRIEST MAGIC" all 6 seasons, episode after episode, over and over, scene after scene. Its just dumb ass writing (show-wise). Book-wise however, I don't have any beef with it at all because there is no red magic saturation and Red Priest story force-feeding going on.

but it certainly seems we are heading down that road.

Were about 1 or 2 episodes away from jumping the shark. That opening episode placed us on the beach, were searching for sharks now. Or did we already jump it with the Dornish Master Plan?