So what happened in luclin-pop?

[surron]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haynar, I for one am fully aware that P99 will never go past SoV. I just wish it would. Would I play 2002 or tak when they get to PoP? That's doubtful, unless they put in the same kind of work that P99 did to unroll all the post-PoP crap and make the server stable and prevent asshats from boxing. If all I wanted was PoP I'd go solo the place in live.

lol dude has no idea what he's talking about... stick to p99 please

p99 uses a client built for the 10th expansion of EQ (mouse scroll, tab cycle, countless of other quality of life settings in options that make the game EASIER) while tak/p2002 use the correct client... and the same dude (Haynar) who codes network logic on p99 did it for tak...


and if you think no one boxes on p99 you're dumber than a toad because a 2nd computer + a smart phone tether = undetected boxing

[Dillian]

copy+paste lol

[Tuurin]

Surron, since you're clearly smarter than the rest of the community (definitely not dumber than a toad, like Fadetree obviously is), you must understand that porting, Luclin models, bazaar, etc. all have NOTHING to do with the function of the game that a lot of people care most about- combat, grouping, etc.

Boxing, on the other hand, has everything to do with how people play the game and go about defeating the content- it makes people able to essentially solo most of the content and promotes non-interaction. Therefore, it is reasonable for people to want to play on a server that actively discourages/bans people when they are doing things that trivialize content (like boxing) but still want to have some of the conveniences that have been added that do nothing to trivialize content but make the limited play time that we have more enjoyable. That's really not that hard to comprehend, is it? And yes, there is a "line" that most people feel they wouldn't cross, and it's generally at/around POP for content. If I wanted 40 slot bags, mercs, /find, station store, etc. I could go and play on live or Phinny or whatever. I realize that.

*Haynar/devs- I'm not "pushing" for anything. I fully understand that these changes are not coming to P99. I'm really just bored at work and engaging in theoreticals.

[Fryhole]

Originally Posted by surron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol dude has no idea what he's talking about... stick to p99 please

p99 uses a client built for the 10th expansion of EQ (mouse scroll, tab cycle, countless of other quality of life settings in options that make the game EASIER) while tak/p2002 use the correct client... and the same dude (Haynar) who codes network logic on p99 did it for tak...


and if you think no one boxes on p99 you're dumber than a toad because a 2nd computer + a smart phone tether = undetected boxing

Exactly. Everyone should be allowed to bring up 1 other account. Don't tell me you're claiming some horribly slow exp camp with your <insert family member here>. I'm not sure how things like Chardok proxy, paid plvl, 'pay to loot X item' (etc) in general aren't detracting in the same way as allowing someone to accomplish these things themselves.

[Trollhide]

Originally Posted by Fryhole [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly. Everyone should be allowed to bring up 1 other account. Don't tell me you're claiming some horribly slow exp camp with your <insert family member here>. I'm not sure how things like Chardok proxy, paid plvl, 'pay to loot X item' (etc) in general aren't detracting in the same way as allowing someone to accomplish these things themselves.

All the things you mentioned were possible, and happened, within the confines of the classic ruleset on live. Boxing was not, because EQ crashed if you attempted to alt+tab until the January 9, 2003 patch.

[Fryhole]

Originally Posted by Trollhide [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All the things you mentioned were possible, and happened, within the confines of the classic ruleset on live. Boxing was not, because EQ crashed if you attempted to alt+tab until the January 9, 2003 patch.

I did this first hand, and I get it - apparently I was supposed to take a picture of myself being a hardcore nerd. Pressing alt+tab to swap the game running in windowed mode wasn't required. Maybe alt+tab did crash the client, but again, it wasn't required. Windows 98 had 'internet connection sharing'. We had 2 PCs running 2 clients by the end of Kunark.

2000 dated forum posts discussing EQ windows mode

[Cecily]

You guys are pretty mean for server chat. Why don't you bring that nerd aggression to RNF? We sorely need it over there.

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by surron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol dude has no idea what he's talking about... stick to p99 please

p99 uses a client built for the 10th expansion of EQ (mouse scroll, tab cycle, countless of other quality of life settings in options that make the game EASIER) while tak/p2002 use the correct client... and the same dude (Haynar) who codes network logic on p99 did it for tak...


and if you think no one boxes on p99 you're dumber than a toad because a 2nd computer + a smart phone tether = undetected boxing

Wow, now I'm all sad, because Surron thinks I'm dumb. I will stick to P99, so no danger to you and your pet project.

[surron]

Sorry I hurt your feelings fadetree I just get upset when people propagate bullshit. It's not my project either, I am not a dev.

[RTukka]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is one reason I play on this server, and it's got nothing at all to do with classic.

The boxing policy.

The boxing policy is a big positive for me as well.

There are certain qualities of "classic" EQ (as defined by the Project 1999 team) that I like, others I dislike, and some that I could either take or leave.

I like that the pace of combat and progression is relatively slow, and that there is a relatively steep penalty for death (in terms of XP and recovery time), which generally leads players to take a more deliberate pace with a lot of content, which is a marked contrast from many other modern MMOs I've played, where the expectation is that you will try to speed-run everything as efficiently as possible, with virtually anonymous group members.

When it comes to the lack of portals/automated teleports, I have mixed feelings. It does make the world feel larger, and it does encourage more player interaction, although the quality of said interaction is usually pretty low when you're talking about something like a quick DaP transaction.

I'm not a huge fan of the EC tunnel. Again, the quality of player interaction that goes on there just isn't very high. Most of the transactions you have there are straight-forward and uninteresting enough that we might as well be virtual NPCs sitting in stalls with a more convenient interface.

And I can understand the distaste people have for Shadows of Luclin from a lore/thematic point of view. The cats bug me a little but aren't a deal-breaker for me, and I'd have preferred it if all of the action took place on Norrath and the Planes instead of various alien worlds. Though I think a lot of Luclin zones were pretty cool.

And though I don't think the Nexus was really a bad addition, I think the PoK books probably shrunk the world a bit too much. If I were to recreate PoP, I'd add a Nexus/Plane of Tranquility connection and remove the books.

Luclin graphics were a mixed bag. I like the increased level of detail and some of the models are good, but I generally prefer the art direction of the older models and I don't like that they eliminated visual diversity by having the same graphics for original/Velious armor.

But I'm sure there are a lot of people that have markedly different taste from me, so I can understand the taking the semi-arbitrarily position of making Velious the cut-off and taking the simple approach of trying to stick to classic as much as possible with regard to game mechanics and content.